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Originally Posted by Crowquill
In situations like teenage pregnancy which are primarily in my experience where abortions happen the father usually leave.
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You're speaking in complete hypotheticals. It doesn't matter what you're experience with abortion is, it matters what the truth about the matter is. Not only teens have abortions, abortions aren't only from rape victims, and not all fathers have a profound tendency to desert the mothers of their children.
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This just happened with a friend very recently in fact and you can hardly expect a rapist to stick around now can you?
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Again with the rape story, do you have anything else to help prove your point Crowquill? If she doesn't want the baby, put it up for adoption. What if your mother had had you aborted. What if Bob Dylan's mother didn't want him and decided to have him aborted, or Albert Einstein's, or Nikola Tesla's? What kind of world would we live in if every woman decided to just scramble her eggs at every little wimsy? (pardon the distasteful pun)
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Also childbirth is painful not many woman want to go through with it.
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Hence the 6 BILLION people on earth.....
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I repeat, childbirth is painful.
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I repeat, 6 BILLION PEOPLE on earth. And with todays drugs, childbirth is hardly even felt by the mother. They block the pain sensation by temporarily damming the spinal cord.
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If it was just likeshitting out a child more people would probably go through with it and then if more people went through with it we'd start having problems housing all these children because everyone who didn't want their child would put them up for adoption.
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So your excuse for abortion is that we wouldn't have enough space for all the children? That's hardly a reason to KILL THEM. Most parents just move into a larger house. If it came to me either killing my child or getting somewhere bigger to live, I think the choice would be an easy one, silly me.
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I'm not big on population control type theories, in fact I detest them, but fetuses aren't humans they could be but so could other things I won't get into that is unnecessarily vulgar yet we don't impose a ban on self-pleasure.
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So youre comparing killing an unborn child to throwing away a used condom? Sperm dies within minutes of leaving the body. And unless there are some eggs in that condom which have been fertilized, there is no human or potential human in that condom. Are you going to save your used kleenexes after you sneeze, it may have your living germs in it....
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Um...most people going to abort their child usually feel pretty strongly about getting it aborted and in some cases birthing the child isn't an option for both the fetus and the mother. There would be back alley abortions and it would be a mess, it would be a very huge problem.
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Stop with the "back alley abortions" theory, it's compete rubbish. You're saying that becuase people would do it anyway, we should just legalize it to save them the hassle? Hell, let's legalize meth, we know those junkies will shoot it up anyways, let's save them the hassle of jailtime. Pedophilia? Hell, give 'em a couple of 9 year olds, right? Let's save 'em the hassle.
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I realize everyone wants to believe the best for people but being optimistic and thinking everyone wants to have a child is being very naive.
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I didn't say that EVERYONE wants to have a child. I said that if you birth a child and don't want it, there are other couples who would gladly take it off your hands.
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If they deserve the same rights and securities as a heterosexual couple they deserve marriage. Seeing as thats both a right and a sense of security in the relationship.
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I agree that they deserve the same rights and securities, but I just cannot bring myself to label it a "marriage." It's my personal belief that a marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Call it a legal accord, a matrimony, whatever, just not a "marriage."
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Now theres a lot of them working, millions if you were to tell them all to go back we'd start having a lot of problems.
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I realize this. Like I said, I'm not president, I don't have all the answers to fix our country. But coming here illegally is breaking the law, and crime should not be rewarded.
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Ameager US wave is much higher than a meager Mexican wage you realize that right? It's not like they're getting an extra dollar a year over here, that wouldn't be worth it. They're making much more over here.
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I realize that a meager US wage is much higher than even a high Mexican wage. What I am saying is that it is still not enough. They deserve to be paid well for the work they do, the same wage as a legal american would be paid. This is not possible with them being illegal. This is why a ROAD to amnesty is needed.
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So what do you want us to do? Send them all the millions back and then face the even more serious problems we would be facing? Like what to do with all the jobs Americans won't do but need to be done?
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It's complete bullsh*t to say that illegals only take the jobs that americans don't want. And we would indeed have a problem if we sent them back, that's why I said we should let them serve in the armed forces in return for their amnesty.
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I'm sorry but are you serious? I wouldn't even want to serve in the armed forces for a year let alone four and I would hardly expect anyone else to want to serve in the armed forces especially for this war that is fucked up in too many ways to get into. Also in many ways you're sending them off to their death. I don't think I need to get into the issue of racism in the army (remember all those lovely photos in certain jails a few years ago?) They wouldn't be treated fairly in the army and that war is disgusting and should never have happened. These people just want to support themselves and their family, they don't want to die for a country they may never receive citizenship for because they didn't live long enough.
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You're letting your personal political agenda cloud the facts. If we did this, it would allot millions of illegals their citizenship, letting them earn fair AMERICAN wage. It would give us a strong army. I in no place said to send them over seas or in the war. Let them serve in the National Guard. We need troops here in the US just as bad as we need them overseas.
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Argh did you decide to completely ignore nearly everything I typed? Mexico DID have a thriving economy at one time. Mexico had vast oil reserves that made them a country in strong competitions with others in the oil market but as I said America started its little lending campaign and held the oil as collateral putting Mexico in somewhat of a fix. We expected them to pay off loans while taking there main source of income, which isn't a surprise we've always put oil first.
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Yep, we stole all of mexico's oil. Thats why we buy most of ours from the middle east and venezuela, rather than using the mexican oil we've had in storage for 35 supposed years, makes sense.... Spend billions on oil when we already have some cooped up, free for the taking...