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Originally Posted by TheDonald
You're speaking in complete hypotheticals. It doesn't matter what you're experience with abortion is, it matters what the truth about the matter is. Not only teens have abortions, abortions aren't only from rape victims, and not all fathers have a profound tendency to desert the mothers of their children.
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Yeah and how isn't that hypothetical? You realize the majority of abortions, and this may shock you, don't occur between a happy couple who is going to be together forever and just aborts for the hell of it?
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Again with the rape story, do you have anything else to help prove your point Crowquill? If she doesn't want the baby, put it up for adoption.
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So the rape victim should be FORCED to keep the child she didn't want? From the sex she didn't want? Pregnant happens through rape, it's not the cause of most pregnancies but it's the cause of some and in those cases the woman should be given the choice of abortion something she didn't choose.
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What if your mother had had you aborted. What if Bob Dylan's mother didn't want him and decided to have him aborted, or Albert Einstein's, or Nikola Tesla's? What kind of world would we live in if every woman decided to just scramble her eggs at every little wimsy? (pardon the distasteful pun)
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I never suggested every woman should have an abortion and many woman don't want abortions. You're taking everything I say out of context. Also not every child that is aborted is going to be the next Einstein or Dylan and that argument goes both ways. What if you aborted the next Hitler or Gacy? What if Jesus was aborted? I bet you Mary wouldn't have minded, God practically raped her.
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Hence the 6 BILLION people on earth.....
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See above.
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I repeat, 6 BILLION PEOPLE on earth. And with todays drugs, childbirth is hardly even felt by the mother. They block the pain sensation by temporarily damming the spinal cord.
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For childbirth to be painless you'd have to be completely sh
itfaced and you might not actually be able to contract your muscles. So the child may suffocate in the process, read up before you go and use half facts for your argument.
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So your excuse for abortion is that we wouldn't have enough space for all the children? That's hardly a reason to KILL THEM. Most parents just move into a larger house. If it came to me either killing my child or getting somewhere bigger to live, I think the choice would be an easy one, silly me.
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Not all of us are upper class white americans living in a comfortable home with a comfortable job that allows us to just move to a bigger house everytime we pop out a kid.
In addition to that are you even reading what I'm saying? I was talking about room in orphanedges not families.
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So youre comparing killing an unborn child to throwing away a used condom? Sperm dies within minutes of leaving the body. And unless there are some eggs in that condom which have been fertilized, there is no human or potential human in that condom. Are you going to save your used kleenexes after you sneeze, it may have your living germs in it....
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You're missing what I'm saying. A fetus isn't a thinking, walking, breathing human being.
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Stop with the "back alley abortions" theory, it's compete rubbish. You're saying that becuase people would do it anyway, we should just legalize it to save them the hassle? Hell, let's legalize meth, we know those junkies will shoot it up anyways, let's save them the hassle of jailtime. Pedophilia? Hell, give 'em a couple of 9 year olds, right? Let's save 'em the hassle.
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There's a difference between pedophiles, drugs and abortions. Back alley abortions DO happen and WILL happen. Christ, do you actually think someone doing drugs or having sex with a child is similar to childbirth? That's twisted.
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I didn't say that EVERYONE wants to have a child. I said that if you birth a child and don't want it, there are other couples who would gladly take it off your hands.
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And why should you be forced to go through with childbirth? Because a bunch of conservative christians with penises that will never birth a child have dubbed something morally wrong?
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I realize this. Like I said, I'm not president, I don't have all the answers to fix our country. But coming here illegally is breaking the law, and crime should not be rewarded.
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It's not like we go "Hey! You illegally crossed the border? Well lets give you some money and a house and a job"
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I realize that a meager US wage is much higher than even a high Mexican wage. What I am saying is that it is still not enough. They deserve to be paid well for the work they do, the same wage as a legal american would be paid. This is not possible with them being illegal. This is why a ROAD to amnesty is needed.
It's complete bullsh*t to say that illegals only take the jobs that americans don't want. And we would indeed have a problem if we sent them back, that's why I said we should let them serve in the armed forces in return for their amnesty.
You're letting your personal political agenda cloud the facts. If we did this, it would allot millions of illegals their citizenship, letting them earn fair AMERICAN wage. It would give us a strong army. I in no place said to send them over seas or in the war. Let them serve in the National Guard. We need troops here in the US just as bad as we need them overseas.
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If you sent them all into the armed forces you'd be faced with the same problem because then you'd have millions of jobs needing to be done.
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Yep, we stole all of mexico's oil. Thats why we buy most of ours from the middle east and venezuela, rather than using the mexican oil we've had in storage for 35 supposed years, makes sense.... Spend billions on oil when we already have some cooped up, free for the taking...
Stop being so down on America. Mexico has no one else to blame for their problems. When did it become America's job to bail out every other country when they get into trouble? Ever heard of self-reliance? America is no mexico's big brother, we do not need to fight their battles, and we are not to blame for their economic down falls.
Keeping the poor in poverty is the only way to keep the rich in luxury. Don't fool yourself.
Again, where's the problem? You're telling me that these mexicans would rather have sit at home and have NO money than have a sh*tty job and have SOME money? They're thankfun for these jobs, and it only helps to pump money into their beaten-down economy.
I agree, the united states SHOULD be doing more to help impoverished countries. But when their own government refuses to help, how does it become the US's problem?
Couldn't agree more.
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You know if you're going to ignore everything I say don't bother replying to it. I explained all of this and you keep repeating it and ignoring it and asking the same questions.
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That's what I said, you must have confused my statements with those of TheBig3KilledMyRainDog's.
There is a huge difference between abortion and killing animals for food. Man has domain over the animals. We're at the top of the foodchain. The fact is, there arent enough vegetable and wheat fields on the planet to feed us humans, so we must turn to eating animals to survive. It's simply the foodchain, not cold blooded murder.
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Yeah...hence the apples to oranges statement. Not even remotely similar to abortion. I don't really feel like getting in an animal rights debate especially if everything I say is going to be exaggerated.