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Originally Posted by TheDonald
That is not a fact, it is a statement that you made to try to support your argument. Show me where you read that only poor people and teenagers have abortions. That's utter bullsh*t.
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I didn't even say ONLY teenagers and poor people have abortions. Once again read my posts please. Here's where I got my information.
http://www.plannedparenthoodnj.org/a..._newjersey.pdf then because that one didn't include age ranges I went here
Facts on American Teens' Sexual and Reproductive Health
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Regardless of age, if you go to a hospital or to the police the WILL give it to you.
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It isn't legal to give them someone under 18 without parental consent which is essentially the same thing. Hospitals and police stations (do they even carry morning after pills?) don't make a habit of breaking the law.
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It can only be purchased over the counter when 18.
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Correct.
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The police arent going to deny a rape victim the morning after pill just b/c they are under 18, that's more bullsh*t youre spouting.
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See my point two posts above this, that's a crime police stations don't commit crimes.
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Okay, you're really starting to piss me off. This is exactly what you're doing, so saying I'm the one doing does not make it so.
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I'm responding to everything you're saying but since you're convinced I'm not I'll re-word and re-quote everything so you can see me replying to each individual thing.
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There are possibilities of complications with ALL pregnancies, not just ones resulting from abortion.
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Not all mothers who want to follow through with pregnancy want added complications. I never said complications only happen in this case, stop putting words in my mouth.
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What's worse in your opinion: high blood pressure or death? You think high blood pressure is an issue for the mother, what about the baby? It's getting KILLED. Which is worse in your opinion? (this is a rhetorical question, as I know you're ignorant answer already)
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As usual, you're missing my point. Epidural anesthesia can result in complications not only harmful to the mother but to the baby to. Okay she would've originally killed the fetus (didn't from the baby, you keep confusing the two) but now that she's going to have it why would she want to risk her own health as well as this child?
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Orphanages? I forgot it was 1923.
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There's still such things as orphanages you even acknowledged it "Most children in orphanages are older than babies." What are you trying to say here?
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There is a foster care system in place.
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I never said there wasn't.
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The government takes care of the chidren and puts them in homes until they can find parents willing to adopt them.
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Not everyone want to be foster parents and that doesn't guarantee adoption either. There's still 115000 children waiting in the system.
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This isnt Annie, theyre not eating grool and getting beaten with broomsticks.
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Where did I say anything like that? I'm just saying there's only so much space for children.
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I don't believe that number for one millisecond. Where did you get that figure from? I demand a source for such a fallacious fact.
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Sorry I had my figures wrong, remembering this **** from a month ago in an assignment isn't easy. "Each year, two out of every 100 women aged 15–44 have an abortion; 48% of them have had at least one previous abortion."
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States Still a pretty high number.
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Letting a fetus live is natural, killing it is not. It's your task to provide a reason for killing it, not mine to provide a reason to let it live.
See above.
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Are you actually going to pull what is and what isn't natural? Half the stuff we eat isn't natural, what we're doing now (arguing on an internet forum) isn't natural. We are not a natural society anymore and it isn't up to the bible to decide what is and what isn't moral either before you go and pull that.
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Look at my last statement addressing your analogy, it answered this. Read what I type, comprehend it, please try.
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It's an illogical analogy, murder and ripping the tag off of a mattress are both illegal. They're nowhere near similar or comparable offenses.
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That's an entirely stereotypical and offensive statement.
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It's not and I'll explain why.
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You criticize people for not wanting to call a union between homosexuals a marriage, calling them close-minded.
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Me wanting open marriage to all couples is close-minded how?
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It's okay for you to have your opinion, but no one else can? Hows that work?
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I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion but what that opinion is and isn't isn't up to your opinion.
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You can be close-minded and belittle christians, but they cant criticize you or homosexuals? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
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My criticism of christians is based on factual and bigoted beliefs they have. There's is based on what some book written 2000 years ago by straight religious males says.
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Giving them amnesty would be rewarding them, which is what I have been saying for 3 straight pages, if you would bother to actually read this, rather than just blindy reply with "everything is americas fault" and "back alley abortions is messy biznuss."
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That's not how I've been replying to everything, you're just being pointlessly condescending here.
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Did you not read what the f*ck I just said? 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year. That leaves plenty of time for them to remain in their jobs.
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Some of them would rather be working that weekend this is all hypothetical anyway, as I stated before, so it's not really worth debating this much now is it?
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You stated history, but it did nothing to prove your point.
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My history I stated proves my point America is partly to blame for the situation Mexico is in.
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Maybe youve led a sheltered lifestyle, but just becuase YOU believe something does not make it true, sheez...
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When it's history it makes it true.
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Once again, isnt SOME money better than NO money? Do I need to start a poll so you can see that your POV is unique and skewed?
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Some money isn't much better than no money when some money can't support you.
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If mexicans could come here legally they would, right? My proposition for a road to amnest via military enrollement has little if any permeabilities. It would allow them to become citizens and earn an even better fair, american wage. How can you argue with that?
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Too bad you're road to amnesty isn't even going to happen right? It's not even worth debating.
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And if they earn money here and send it to mexico, that only hurts our economy. If they become citizens, they could move their family here and spend their money here. It's a win-win situation.[
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Um, they need to keep some of the money to support themselves and they can't go shopping for necessities in Mexico now can they? Plus I'm more referring to the fact that in doing all these jobs they fill needed positions in society, while they don't get fair pay sure they're still contributing. Sending them all away would pretty much ruin our workforce.
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I would come here and earn a decent living. But if given the chance, my plan I stated above sounds like a great option.
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But your plan isn't existent so...
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So we should kill innocent children, but not criminals?
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FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME FETUSES ARE NOT PROVEN CHILDREN. Also are you admitted you would come here and earn a decent living and then turn around and call people doing it criminals and saying it's okay to murder them? Kind of nonsensical there oojay.
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We have a secured border, not a militarized one. Guards who kill illegals crossing the border get reprimanded and sent to prison, watch the news lately?
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How does that change the fact it happens?
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Originally Posted by TheDonald
Many people die crossing the border b/c of the horrid conditions, not b/c they are shot and left there.
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Somehow I doubt the rising border death rate (just 29% in the last year) is rising due to horrid conditions.
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Most illegals crossing the border that are killed were killed by OTHER illegals who were crossing the border,
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Yeah most but not all and it's a problem we don't care to fix or try to fix.
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not by americans sitting on their porch with rifles.
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I don't know many Americans that sit on there located by the border house with a rifle I didn't even imply that.
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Why does it make you sick Mr. Encyclopedia Dramatica? It offers a legitimate solution to a legitimate problem.
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Because we shouldn't force these people to do anything to want a better life.
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That was nearly 250 years ago, hardly comparable to today's modern society with our modern problems.
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So I guess you think all that first nation slaughtering was okay because it happened in the past then?
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Native americans are people too, they have normal jobs, they dont get discrimated against. I am in fact part native american, half of my family is native american. We are normal people.
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See above, they've been discriminated again and treating it unfairly.
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Why are you getting to defensive? I never said we were superior to them, nor did I say they were trying to take over our country. You countering non-existant arguments is funny to watch.
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Because I actually care about what goes on around here thats why I get defensive because I'm passionate about it.