just to bring you back to the beatles argument...personally i think theyre great, not just for their music but just for the significance (aware i cant spell that) factor, i mean we wouldnt have half the bands we do now if it werent for them, as with The Smiths, i LOVE them, but i also love BrandNew and similar bands who strongly take their influence from them...so you cant just say that they suck because i can guarentee that at least one of the bands you like has taken alot of influence from the beatles, so rather than saying they suck you should be repsecting them for bringing you the music you like