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Originally Posted by adidasss
Ok, this is my take on it; when punk started it "sounded" more poppy, and from our perspective, it was accessible and catchy....as Urban rightfully noted, punk represented rebellion against the system in a time when simple chord progression and faster music could be considered a subversive alternative to disco, prog rock and other predominant music genres of the time. Later, the sound evolved, it became more dissonant and aggressive and people started calling that particular sound as hardcore punk. To distinguish it from the other sound, they named the original sound pop-punk.
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Was anyone in this forum around back then who might know for a fact why it's called what it's called? I can't imagine this is something that needs to be interpreted.
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So, just like The Beatles were a rock and not a pop band, so The Ramones were a punk band, no matter how different their sound is to what you and many others today perceive to be "true" punk. This is also why Dookie is not a pop, but a punk record.
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I believe the original reason we are disputing the genre of the Ramones is because 'Quill, If I understood him correctly, told me that because the Ramones started the punk genre means they are the measuring stick of punk, the cut and paste definition. The closer you sound to the ramones the more 'punk' you are. And he then said that because the Ramones are pop-punk and punk at the same time, pop-punk cannot be a crossover genre. Although he later told me that pop-punk is not the same thing as punk.
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However, I'd imagine in 30 years, your children will wonder just what exactly you were thinking when you thought all those metal bands you listen to were badass and hardcore.
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That's not
necessarily true, but perhaps. If the day comes and bands completely make my bands obsolete in terms of passion and talent, etc, than I will either conceed to the new bands, or not feel like listening to the new extreme music because I'm too old or something.
You can leave whenever you want dude, if the rest of us don't feel like we are finished I think we have a right to continue our discussion.