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Originally Posted by Crowquill
Plays and sales both tie into popularity. If you have alot of plays or sell alot of records, you're popular. I don't understand how you can be popular without those two things please explain this to me.
Article says plays as well and how can you be popular if your album doesn't sell and isn't played? You seem to be doing some serious back peddling right now.
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I never said you can sell without popularity, I believe I explicity said that you do indeed require popularity to sell. I said that pop music is BASED ON selling, and selling requires popularity, but that does not mean pop music is based on popularity, popularity is a necessary correlation. It's indirect.
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I'm still waiting to hear how "pop is a corporate enforcing, establishment building movement" you still haven't explained this and seem to be still avoiding the subject.
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I've explained this constantly through out this whole thread what that means, including just earlier with my 2 sources, here I'll re-post them for you:
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“Commercially mass produced music for a mass market, and including the variety of genres variously subsumed by terms such as rock and roll, rock, dance, hip hop and R&B.”
-Shuker, Roy (1994). Understanding Popular Music. Routledge.
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“The new pop isn't rebellious. It embraces the star system. It conflates art, business and entertainment. It cares more about sales and royalties and the strength of the dollar than anything else and to make matters worse, it isn't in the least bit guilty about it.”
-Rimmer, D. (1985). Like Punk Never Happened: Culture Club and the New Pop. Faber.
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Please explain where you got from that article that pop is "pop is a corporate enforcing, establishment building movement"
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They are both cited properly, it's right there.
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Please explain how a band can be popular without plays/record sales.
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I never said that was true.
How do we define popular if not by sales? I suppose the band could make thier music and give it away for free, but who is going to produce it? How are they going to be exposed?
Popularity without sales is different than sales without popularity, bare in mind.