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Old 07-04-2008, 11:52 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by The Unfan View Post
The government can't actually grant you freedoms, only limit them. A freedom is the lack of restraint of something. You're free to eat ice cream because there is no restriction on eating ice cream, not because there is specifically a law that states you're permitted to do so.
Well I don't know if I'd want to count it as a "freedom" per say but does the presence of government allow certain things to happen that you'd argue allow you to enjoy other freedoms?

Certainly the government doesn't prevent Murder, but laws dissuade people from doing so, or any number of lesser crimes that might not be prevented otherwise?

Similarly, governments create things like sewer systems, roadways and transit routes that allow us to more easily go places we'd not otherwise be able to do?

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How does government really gain power in this country? By showing people how we enforce laws. Our government does not have the favor of the people anymore. Look at Bush's disapproval rating. While it isn't the whole government, it shows that a lot of people hate our president. Therefore our governments only way of gaining power is to control us through taxes and laws. The whole point of our government is to look at laws and deem them constitutional or unconstitutional. A strong government is only one who has more control over its people. As The Unfan said, a government can only take freedoms away, it can't give them. So how does a stronger government benefit us if it isn't giving us freedoms? It can't.
Because people hate a lame duck president with roughly 6 months left to term, an executive branch member who does not create laws, laws and taxes are the only ways to control people?

Not to mention this particular executive cut taxes on a regular basis. So how is he using taxes to control us?
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