Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

The whole poppy/non poppy thing is a total red herring.

The point is when punk originally started in the late 70s it was totally at odds to what was around at the time. That's why it took off the way it did , because it was different.

However 3 chord punk gets boring very quickly so you expand your sound. Some went for a more commercial sound , some went to electronica , some went to dub & reggae , and so on & so on.

And thats why punk died out as quick as it started. The people involved wanted to do something different and when that sound started to become commonplace they moved on to other things.

What passes off for punk since then is just people copying what went on before , which was the total opposite to what it supposed to be in the first place. How can you be reactionary doing something that's been old hat & commercialised for over 30 years?