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Old 12-05-2008, 01:54 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent View Post
I have already answered these questions. The train leads to nihilism. God is the result of attempting to overcome nihilism. But the conception of God that nihilism leads to is not the same as that found in the Bible, which tends to anthropomorphise God. God must be something above man which man can strive towards but never achieve, otherwise all of man's striving is just a closed circle, the snake eating its own tail. This idea of God also implies that man's purpose is to overcome his own nature, which is the goal of morality. I'm not trying to prove that this concept of God is real, that would be completely absurd. I'm just arguing it is necessary for morality. This concept of God is not one that's going to talk to you and tell you what to do, in fact, it is the complete opposite: this God sits entirely outside experience. Experience does not give us God, in fact, experience gives us futility. Thus we are compelled to either move beyond experience or to embrace futility and thus reject morality.
Why can't a perfect society be something "man can strive towards but never achieve"? After all, a more perfect society is essential to advancement of the species. Overcoming our own nature would still be necessary, as in striving towards a more perfect society, we'd need to overcome the most obvious obstacles that block our progress. I still don't understand how the concept of God that you describe leads to morality (how does assuming God's "nature is radically different, and incomprehensible to us" equate to moral boundaries being set?), but I assume that your answer would lead to some of the same questions we had earlier. Oh well, it has been interesting.
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