It's funny I'd consider R.E.M abd bands like Pearl Jam alternative too - it might just be that at the time I was getting into them they really were "alternative" or "indie" and they blew up into mainstream proportions...
But I think with those bands its all about the attitude. They're both bands that have kinda said throughout their career - "I'm doing it my way" and that is what may define their alternative - ness...
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