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Originally Posted by sleepy jack
I called you Hannity because of your constant insistence that I consider Obama to be some sort of Messiah; I don't. I didn't support him in the primaries until it came down to a race between Clinton and him. What's funny about this whole thing is you're attacking me for being a close-minded Democrat and getting off an independent high horse yet I'm not a Democrat. Since you're talking about political objectivity though I have some advice for you as well. Maybe you should take a look at your own posts and realize the ironies in it. Blind allegiance to a third party philosophy isn't any better than blind allegiance to one of the major two parties. Look at your own sources; a Libertarian website and Ron Paul. They're both uncompromising ideological and with an agenda, not exactly objective is it?
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i dont believe in a third party, and i didnt vote for ron paul. my views do happen to be closer to that of a libetarian than any other party, but it doesnt mean i consider myself one. i believe the rich should be taxed more heavily, i believe some regulation is a good thing, i believe the UN is a good thing, not exactly very libertarian views. what i do strongly believe if the philosiphy of self responsiblity. i dont think it should be the government (the peoples) responsiblity to pay for mortgages people took that they couldnt afford, i dont think because octomom has 16 kids and no job my tax dollars should be used to pay for her irresponsible decisions, i dont believe that its my responsiblity to pay health care for people who suck down soda pops and cheeseburgers all day. if these people excercised a little self responsiblity, they wouldnt have the above said problems, but who needs to be responsble when we can just rely on the government to whipe our asses? the reason i posted that article, was because it related directly to the "promise" of obama pulling out of iraq. his promise is one on paper, whereas it mentions he wants to leave behind tens of thousands. its just another lie. not because i surf libetarian media sites (i honestly dont even know of one), i mostly read cnn, bbc, and wherever digg takes me.
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Originally Posted by sleepy jack
To clear this up, on fiscal matters I agree with the Democratic party more than I agree with the Republican party. However I'm in favor of a Social Democracy but I'm realistic enough to realize that won't ever happen. I'm not completely opposed to the idea of a free market, as long as it's very heavily regulated to avoid corruption and to protect citizens. In general though I feel the free market is unfair. Socially I'd consider myself a libertarian, but I would be in favor of outlawing the production certain drugs (not the harmless ones, I'm talking heroin. I'm against it on principle the same way I'm against prescription pills that do nothing but take years off your life or ruin your body.) If I had to really describe myself though, bar the term blank-term independent, I'd say I was a Pragmatic Leftist.
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corruption is inherrent period. its easy to point to the free market capitalist who find loopholes in the rules book, but the government is no different (they just change the rules to benefit who they see fit).
how is the free market unfair? there is literally throngs of people who come from foreign countries with a few dollars and a t-shirt and make millions here. the free market is what drove america from a colonial state to the world super power in less than 300 years. i guess you could argue that communism\socialism is fair... however if you have ever met anyone from a communist or socialist country, they tend to disagree. you see i work almost exclusively with international clients and coworkers (china, russia, romania, azurbaijan, venezuela, etc) and so you can imagine this becomes a topic of discussion. they tell me about growing up and how they are told not to worry about anything because 'the state will provide' for them. it creates a system of dependancy where they have no reason to strive for excellence because there is no reward, and if you believe those countries exist with less corruption than the free market then you are in denial.
Political corruption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
a libetarian socially is very similar to that of a democrat. although they may disapprove of being called "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" essentially they are. so in essence you are a democrat, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt pragmatic leftist... you know yourself better than i.
edit - sorry for the triple post but it wouldnt all fit in one post it was too long. seriously ethan i enjoy debating with you, but if you want me to respond again please focus on fewer topics, its a combination of not enough time and not enough will. i also want you to know i dont completly disagree with everything you say, and although i may come off a bit rude\harsh it really is just what comes out of people (at least me) when they banter.