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Originally Posted by Blue
I stand firmly against this. I don't need a role model to base my morals off of, because I have my own sense of right and wrong, and just because I don't believe in God doesn't make it any more or less "moral" on those terms. I don't need God to give me motivation to do good, I give myself motivation to do good because I believe it is right.
I really don't see how you can validate that statement. Just because someone doesn't believe in God doesn't mean they don't have a will to do good, and to claim otherwise I think is ridiculous.
Please explain, on what basis to you think non-believers have no motivation to do good simply because they don't believe in your religion?
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Originally Posted by jibber
Right, so by your reasoning, atheists have no moral compass, and have no desire to do good.
Well, not only is that comment incredibly offensive, it's extremely ignorant. Since I'm conveniently an atheist, lets use me as an example shall we? I started volunteering at a homeless shelter at the age of 15, went to cambodia for 2 months (on my dime) to volunteer for a non-profit organization and teach english at an orphanage at 20, at 21 I worked at that same homeless shelter at home when I could have made more money at a boring office job, and now at 22 I just came back from an internship in Cameroon working for a non-government organization when I could have stayed in Calgary working for a newspaper. Now I'm working to set up a job (be it paid, or simply for room and board) in india working for an ngo.
My motivation to work in the non-profit sector most certainly does not come from religion. It sure as hell doesn't come from any desire for financial gain, and it's disgusting that you think that an atheist can have no capacity to desire to do good in the world. Long and short of it, you embody every quality of the arrogant ******* Christian that I really despise.
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I don't know how much clearer I have to be, I already explained this damn well to you jibber. I'm saying by that post that I'm referring to RELIGIOUS MORALS ONLY. Perhaps you guys recall this post I made:
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Originally Posted by zzz
That wasn't what I was saying at all. My point was that people who use Christianity as justification for their crimes can do so because there are set principles to Christianity that they can blame it on. When it comes to Atheists, they don't have principles based on religion. Maybe principles based on morals or laws or whatever, but not on religion.
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Of course you chose to ignore this and go on a long diatribe about how all Christians have a “holier-than-thou” mentality, a stereotype that requires arrogance in itself to be used seriously. And yet here you are freaking out on me for ‘supposedly’ saying all non-Christians have no moral values, which is rather hypocritical in itself considering your branding of Christians.