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Originally Posted by Comus
They emulate the sound, but not the actual spirit of the genre. Also Radiohead aren't prog becuase they don't do anything remotely prog.
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This right there is a huge contradiction.
How does Marillion not live up to the spirit of prog? They don't push boundries? Then you can't turn around and say Radiohead are not prog.
You seem to think it's technically impossible for anything post 70s to be prog, and that's the kinda elitist thing I was talking about. Either a modern prog band means someone who conforms to the format of 70s progressive rock or someone who doesn't conform but pushes boundries in very much the same way. So with that in mind, Marillion or Radiohead,
one of them is prog.
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I don't want to Argue Marillion, they're one of those bands that have found success amongst prog fans pretending to be a prog band.
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They ARE a prog band in the sense that they follow the format of 70s prog, and even though I don't like them, they still expand on it in a way, they give it a more 80s sensibility.
Seriously. If a band
sounds like they're a part of that genre, they're a part of that genre. That's how I classify genres, not from idealogies or countercultures or anything like that. I don't care if it's not the prog idealogy, it's the prog
sound. Therefore they are a prog band.
Prog was defined by an idealogy, yes, but now it's defined by the sound it created, and prog bands as we know them today are those that follow or expand on that sound. This is why I consider Marillion prog and Radiohead not to be even though they come a lot closer to being a prog band in their ideology.
You're kinda sounding like a punk fan right now, those that think a band's "punkness" is defined by their idealogies rather than their sound, and yes I'm getting to that one very shortly.
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Prog fans are stupid, especially progarchives.com fans. I agree that on progarchives, you do have to comment on the "proggyness" of an album. But a lot of people take it way too far. And do it on prog-related reviews as well. Giving the more proggy albums a higher score while slating the arguably better, less prog related albums.
Progarchives are good, but only to a certain point. They get a lot wrong in my opinion. The problem is, if a majority of people on progarchives likes a band, there's a lot higher chance they'll get added, especially amongst the admins. Also saying a band is prog because of a few songs is pathetic, especially considering the only pallatable format for prog is the album setting(well, live works too).
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This I agree with.
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So yeah i've gone off topic. Basically the sound does not qualify for prog, it needs the underlying principles. Also lyrical content doesn't count either or Green Day would be the main prog band of our generation. But of course, prog like indie is a pretty useless way to describe a variety of bands that sound nothing alike.
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Then you're only saying Radiohead are not prog out of biased hate for them. Because if prog is defined by idealogy alone (it's not) then Radiohead qualify without a doubt.