Originally Posted by alliteration

Yeah. Native and pretty much all the Grand Rapids bands are pretty popular. They seem to be quite popular with kids who are into the DIY hardcore scene, but I really don't think any of them are DIY whatsoever. Its pretty obvious when you look at it. When I went to the Comadre show in GR, they played with La Dispute and Native and it was so full I couldn't even get in the door, there was at least a few hundred kids there, the place was absolutely packed. In fact, I was at Dudefest 07, and the crowd at the Comadre show here reminded me of Dudefest. Not to mention, almost all the kids there were maybe 15-16 and dressed like douchebags to the max. So yeah, there is absolutely no DIY element to any of those bands, outside of Comadre.