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Originally Posted by 24Nathan
If I pulled some random dude from the street and had him bang on a drum and play alternating quarters on a hi hat and snare, do you call him a musician? Once again, you (along with half of the people that replied to me) jumped the shark and assumed I meant the worst. I don't call someone who can strum two or so notes on a guitar, or make a noise on a trumpet, or bang sticks on a drum set a musician. Was that really that hard to comprehend?
I have absolutely no problem with someone being fluent in one instrument and not the entire family, I'm down with that. I personally know a freshman in my percussion section that thinks he's the coolest kid ever and he can barely keep a steady set of eighths. But he's having fun, and since music is for everyone, then he's automatically in the musician category, right? My bad, I forgot that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about who I consider a musician.
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We didn't say everyone is considered a musician, we said anyone can BE a musician.
The attitude isn't needed if you're the one that's wrong.
I can teach quarter notes on a snare drum.
Alternating quarters? That's what everybody plays on drumset? Because I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of complex drumset parts out there.
Sixteenth notes, time in 5/8.
Have you ever listened to jazz? Hip hop, maybe?
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Really? Everyone with arms can play a drum, I guess they're all musicians. How did 'everyone learns differently' come into play? Again, you're jumping on the bandwagon and assuming things like it's in style (it seems to be around here). Where did I say that that every musician that can't read is hardly a musician? Please quote me, as I can't seem to dig through my lentghy ten post record or so and find the exact thing I said.
Again, had you given me the benefit of the doubt, you would've known I'm not confident about my music skill in the slightest, and I was talking about simple people who think they're studly because of the volume and speed they can play a drum, for example, without knowing how to read music or feel the beat, or even hold the stick, or even how adjust a music stand.
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You weren't talking about all of that before. Why do you have to know how to read music or adjust a music stand? There are countless ways to hold a drumstick, and some people can make their own work.
I'll relate this to guitar because I don't play the drumset.
I play THE WRONG WAY under my teacher's standards, but he's outwardly admitted that I've somehow made it work.
Just because it's not the normal way to play, doesn't mean someone can't do it.
It's kind of hard to play in a band if you can't feel the beat, considering the drums hold the beat. So I don't know who you're talking about, but not the drummers I've grown up with, whether they can read or not.
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But all noobs are arrogant fools, aren't they?
Yes, I know how hard set is to play, which is why...
*GASP* (Is he really gonna say it?!)
I can't play anything complex on a drum set.
Hell, I can hardly play mallets, I have to write the notes in and practice a lot before I get the hang of it. Very pretentious to outright admit I haven't mastered two very important parts of percussion, isn't it?
Also, please tell me where I said I was the best ever in world history at playing drums. I don't remember that part of the conversation, either.
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Did anyone say you were the best in history? Nope.
We said that you're belittling other drummers who can't read.
No, you're not saying you're the best, but you are sure making yourself look obnoxious.
Talking about music stands?
You're just bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with the actual technique of a drummer.
You are now admitting that playing something complex on a drumset is an important part of percussion. So you just contradicted your previous post.
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I'm willing to restart this whole thing if we can all just back off what you thought I said. I honestly apologize if you misjudged it, but I assure you it wasn't meant to sound so arrogant as you might've assumed. [/color]
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You just blamed it all on everyone else.
You're wrong.
What you said? It was wrong.
We didn't assume anything.