Fruitonica

Nah man, once a child is born and being raised, then the parents have an equal role. But I couldn't ever say that the guy's emotional response is equal to actually being pregnant and all the shit that entails. The man's response varies wildly on whether he really cares about the hypothetical baby, the woman is pregnant regardless of her feelings.

As a simple illustration, as I was going out last Friday night my dad made some joke/warning about getting a girl pregnant, and I said something along the lines of, 'Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'd skip town.' Now, that's flippant - but still entirely possible. And it shows a marked difference in the way a pregnancy affects each side.

And a really simple way to put it, which I probably could have used right at the start. Abortions are a feminist issue, because women have abortions.

I think maybe this is an American thing, you're taking the same route BooBoo did when I was arguing with him, and focussing solely on these angry radical feminists, that I never ever see represented in any significant form of media. I could probably find some blogs if I went looking...maybe if I was bombarded with this shit like you seem to be then I would feel differently.

The fact that a big part of this thread is complaining about women who dislike having doors opened for them is just sad and completely misses the point of feminism - which is still valid in the first world as long as women are being raped and assaulted, being paid less than male counterparts and largely under represented in political spheres.

It doesn't always have to be a women v men scenario, a big part of feminism is campaigning for women's interests. Similar groups exist for men.