I actually think it's high time this one got closed.
As much as I like to see a thread I started active, whenever I check it for progress, I just see people discussing the same old points again, and heated arguments starting all over.
I suppose the question itself was answered quite early on, though it was more of a nifty title than anything else; but there was a time in which I recall tore and VEGANGELICA, for example, actually providing interesting information and discussing the amiably, and that suited the purpose of the thread.
Oh well, my two cents, I suppose.
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