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Old 07-22-2010, 06:40 PM   #80 (permalink)
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by the way dude, feel under no obligation to reply to any of this, or read even, as I can see its rather extensive in length. Its my thoughts there for anyone who wishes to read; I only used your posts as a jumping point for the ideas, not as a direct challenge or insult of any kind.

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No man, you don't get my example. When I write that person A and B has lived the same environment, I mean they've been affected the same by environment - had the same external ...
Fair dues man, I dig that, basically you're saying, if two beings, play out exactly the same, in the same environment, their difference in being, and biology, will mean they inevitably grow and react differently to the environment.

Well what I mean to say is, in an active environment, with uncontrolled phenomena, the biological susceptibility to disease (in particular mental disease) can be over-ridden by adaptibility.

In the controlled environment as you said there, thats a test of biology; but what people fail to understand is that we dont live in a controlled environment. I assumed you were implying that, thats my fault for not reading it properly, my apologies. Our biology adapts and changes and grows and so forth.

If you remove every decision, every new influence, and have two thing in a sandbox acting purely and utterly off their biology, for example

take 2 new born puppies and drown them, see which one drowns first

then you're testing them purely off of this state that they're in now. Even that is not a fair test. The way they've grown in the womb has been influenced by slight changes in blood pressure, nutrients. What you will learn is, Puppy A drowns faster than Puppy B. this is due to Puppy A's lungs being smaller than Puppy Bs

but if Puppy A and puppy B were left to grow, how would they grow? would puppy A's lungs grow and puppy b's stop? would puppy A, learn how to survive and achieve the same tasks as puppy B, despite a smaller lung capacity?

biological tesing, and anylysis is valid. BUT, impractical, unless applied to the large idea of what an organism is in its entirety; in particular,intelligent concious organisms, such as a human being. We are still influenced, limited perhaps, by our biology. But, it's not the one and only nor strongest aspect, of being. In my opinion.






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That's actually not what this biological theory says either. Man, people are good at misunderstanding what it means .. Of course there is plasticity - we can choose from a range of reactions and ...


I apologise for jumping the gun then. Of course i've got no aversion to biologically explaining why people do things. what gets my sandiwch in a pickle is when people claim thats all there is to it. I say that, I believe that beyond basic functions, we're not confined or bound by that biology; it's not our driving factor. I believe individual conciousness, and analyse of one's surroundings through that conciousness, is our driving factor; the strongest force of being.

Basic functions required for you to live, you do these, because if you didnt, you'd cease to live. Any imposition or restraint on them is an insult. But sex, and by proxy, rape, is not a neccessity to live. Ergo, its a luxury, ergo it shouldnt be tolerated that people excercise no self-control over it, especially when it's so humiliating and disrespectful to the person being raped.

I believe it's a combination man. It's the biologically, hormonal burst of sexual attraction, and then its then the inability of the mind to process this; taking shortcuts, obsessing even, so that the outcome becomes

"stick in there and it'll feel good, they're not important, the etiquette the mating ritual, not important, stick it in it feels good"

like an explosive knee-jerk reaction. Not to sound cold, but that can be taken apart; deconstructed. And they can be taught a level of awareness of base function, and a level of control over any function beyond this.

Regardless of whether that be a bold claim as to the limitations of the human organism, surely that should be evry human beings goal? to achieve a state of peace, awareness, and control over their body?

You have for example, the buddhist monks that can shut down organ function. Difficult, yes. Not impossible.

If one were to achieve it, fully, a full awareness, I believe it would be a state like "Nirvana" or "Heaven". Complete awareness.


Maybe I am wrong, and it's the nature of Humankind to be igorant. In which case achieivng this would be a state of burning eternal Hell. But I dont believe this. Because anything you do, could be done better with greater awareness and knowledge, in particular, of your self. To find full awareness, would be spiritual paradise I believe. Thats my goal in life, before I die. Maybe then this state lives on beyond the body, maybe not. But I would achieve it, before I die. If on the other hand, that death be for eternity so be it. I spent my blink of a great cosmic eye here in the pursuit of as supremely as I might.

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I'd like to ask people who don't think biology has anything to do with rape - why are there so many male rapists in the statistics compared to female?
To come back to the topic at hand; I dont accept the act nor believe its jusitifable in any way. But, it is plausible that there are statistically more male rapists than female, because lets call rape, the inherent sexual desire, which stems from a desire to reproduce. As such, a male, could hypothetically stick his wang in as many women as possible in the hopes of keeping the race alive. when you look at the female body, a female reproduces, and then cares for this baby within her. I'm not saying that the desire to reproduce is any less for females; but I am saying, its more focused, clearer, less chaotic.

As such, you would likely get less female rapists, because the female body is set up to recieve the seed and care for the baby, whereas the male body is set up to release the seed, and go release some more.

Still its completely absurd and inexcusable. If you care THAT much about humanity, start a family, care for them, have a baby out of love, raise it together with your spouse, dedicate oneself to them. Its that fear of responsibility, as well, plays into it. "If I settle down, maybe I'll screw the kid up. So I'll have as many kids as possible to give my genes and humanity the best chance possible" ergo this leads to promiscuity, and arguably, to the mindset of the rapist, even. Only one step away.

further still, one could start to believe "well i;ll just stick my wang in ANYTHING maybe it;ll get pregnant" hence sexual perversion and deviancy.

or of course, not to be sexist one could say, "i'll stick anything UP my snatch maybe it'll work"

but i believe its less present in women, because its the WOMEN, that the baby grows inside. women's intuition they call it. comes from that if you ask me.

You could then of course carry this obsession onwards ie. "feels good so if it feels good im doing good, so ANYTHING that feels good is doing good, so im gonna start making the act of sex with things other than that which I KNOW i could impregnate/be impregnated by"

all it is is a gross malformation of sexual desire for reproduction.

I dont mean infertile couples either. I dont lump them in with this lot. I feel for such people because they've got it all there, but its just not coming together. sometimes miracles happen it does. sometimes medicine helps.

But im talking about sexual perversion of all sorts. Pedophilia, bestiality, homsexuality, small list of many. All it comes down to is, this feels good. WHY does it feel good? because supposedly you're propagating our race. if you're not then good for you my friend you found a way to beat life TO THE VICTOR THE SPOILS!!! As long as it doesnt involve me, nor anyone who doesnt WISH to be involed, i couldnt care less.

Pedophilia, could you put weight in a child saying they wish to be involved? no, ergo null and void

bestiality, could you even ask an animal? no. null and void; unless of course, you believe they're inferior and here at your whim. If I believe this, I'd kill them all personally speaking, what's their purpose? ergo null and void.

homosexuality, null and void for me im a male i have no need for close proximity with the male; I already am one complete male in myself. It's all here, is for every man they're a man, and every woman, is already a woman, too. By defintion. Thats my own personal view on life. Others, if 2 or however many people all consent to it, so-be it their choice. But do they understand what they do and this whole line of reasoning I've given?

People say, "FASCIST!!" "BIGOT!!!" whenever you have an opinion on this. As such people stop discussing; its become tabboo to care about your fellow Humans. im breaking the tabboo sir. Makes no difference to me what they do, as I shall not be involved regardless, i see them as a human being, a brother, regardless of how they see me. BUT, do they realy WISH to be doing it? If so, if they understand all of this, and still wish to do it thats their decision. Null and void for myself.

Sex with inanimate objects: null and void, unfulfilling. pointless yet refreshingly simple, basic masturbation all this is. does the inanimate object have a say; no, as its inanimate who cares just a lump of material. BUT, does that mean its purpose should be undermined? for example, a chair is for sitting. If you start to use it for ejaculation, you may damage it. As long as you know that, do it if you want. blow up dolls. image of a woman. but not a woman, is it? could find a mate instead.

Pornography, null and void, but perhaps the closest that one who is not currently having sex, can get to sex. or the imagining of it. Null and void, when the offer of sex arises.Negative, if one becomes obsessed with it.

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