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Originally Posted by Consolator
I think we're on different pages..
I got the impression from s_k's post that because male children have the possibility of being feminine as a reason to be against same-sex couples raising children.
I'm not fond of the mindset of "Oh well, we can't do anything about it" when it comes to social issues. If everyone just sat back and allowed people's prejudices to run rampant, we would not have made the social progress we've made today. I guess I just hate stagnation.
I really dislike the last part of your post. So, because someone is born gay, feminine, or whatever, you believe that that is a consequence that is brought upon by themselves?
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Lol, that's actually not what I meant, but I guess I can see where you got that. I said the way someone acts in today's society, or at least the society I grew up in, is of their own doing. Where I grew up, it was really uncool to be gay, uncool to be "emo", and uncool to be in band. I did all of them. I remember it being talked about ALL over the school when I would hold the hand of a girl I was with in high school. I also remember it being talked about that I was a little emo kid and that all I did was marching band. I grew up in a small town where everyone knew what everyone is doing, so maybe I'm a little bit frustrated, but I've learned that if I had held my sexuality and my style, and what I liked to do IN, then I wouldn't have had to deal with the consequences- the constant being made fun of and ridicule that I had to deal with everyday from my classmates. I did not say it would have been GOOD, I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating a fact, I wouldn't have had to endure the ridicule, and I have a feeling once again I'm not wording this correctly, but I'm sure if you had a better idea of what I was saying, that you would agree with me. I know that society is capable of changing, but it hasn't. So people living in it either have to go with what's acceptable in society and not be happy, or go with what's unnacceptable, and what would normally make them happy... but then they would have to deal with the way they were treated by a majority of people. Everyone has had to deal with these types of pressures to a certain degree, try doing it gay and tell me what happens. If you're gay, great, then I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from. If not, I'm sure you have an example of a time you had to decide between conforming and not conforming.
Regarding conformation, I know a straight girl who told me all her life she conformed to be cool, and that she was happy doing it. So maybe it is possible, but it was something she wanted. She WANTED to be mean, she WANTED to look hot and to drink and do sneak out at night and to have the friends that were popular, maybe it's what she wanted to do and that's why she conformed,.. I don't know, now I'm just babbling.
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Originally Posted by tore
I think this is right, in a way. I wrote that there are environmental components to homosexuality, but as far as I know, they mostly have to do with the environment inside the uterus during pregnancy. I believe that when a person is born, future sexual preferences regarding gender are already pretty much determined.
For a quick look at some really interesting information about homosexuality and it's biological basis and heritability, check out this segment from 60 minutes 
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I have so much to say about this, I don't even know where to start. First of all, I think the whole example they used about the way gay/straight people talk and move is a horrible example. I don't believe gay people begin moving differently, I think it's a learned thing. Same with straight people. If straight guys see other straight guys moving a certain way, and believe that's the way they should be moving, then they will move that way as well. Also, the whole example with the children growing up to be gay or straight and it being proved was bull**** in my opinion. I think if anything, those videos proved that children are taught to be gay or straight, and I don't believe that. That little girl pushing the truck and all dressed in black most likely didn't dress herself, so it's not HER who decided to look and act like she was going to be gay when she grew up. Is it just me?
The segment about the rats and the older brothers was extremely interesting to me. At first I thought they were saying that it was environment of having older brothers that caused the men to be gay, but now I realize they meant in the womb, which was extremely interesting.