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lucifer_sam 05-29-2009 11:24 PM

no, but its canonization as an indie classic is certainly Pitchfork's lamentable responsibility. if you haven't noticed yet, their influence is enormous and widespread on the indie community in general. and their seal of approval is equivalent to a mark of success for a band. it's a broken system but that's how it's been since the early 00s.

dac 05-29-2009 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 668822)
no, but its canonization as an indie classic is certainly Pitchfork's lamentable responsibility. if you haven't noticed yet, their influence is enormous and widespread on the indie community in general. and their seal of approval is equivalent to a mark of success for a band. it's a broken system but that's how it's been since the early 00s.

So if a Pitchfork writer gives an album a good review it's automatically bad?

lucifer_sam 05-29-2009 11:31 PM

did i say that?

dac 05-29-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 668827)
did i say that?

No. What I'm getting at though is that an artist doesn't control whether or not Pitchfork likes them. I think that the majority of people will like an album if it's good. Yes there are the hipsters that like it simply to look cool, but that shouldn't ruin the album or it's honest fans.

lucifer_sam 05-29-2009 11:47 PM

Giving Indie Acts A Plug, or Pulling It - washingtonpost.com

Comus 05-30-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lieasleep (Post 668462)
what exactly do they wanna be? i call myself an indie kid because i really believe that more interesting, groundbreaking and original music has come out of the independent labels than has ever, EVER, been created by a mainstream, major label. i am not against mainstream music, a lot of it i love, and i am not biased against major labels (except for those labels that totally screw musicians) but i just generally love and appreciate independent labels and music more.

See I associate indie with the generic mainstream music that comes out and pretends it's underground. The whole "indie" name has been tainted by a relation to a specific sound. People tend to forget all extreme metal is released on independent labels, yet no one would jump to call them indie. And as such the usage of the word indie is now, and probably always will be related to the sound of the band, rather than the actual label that they're on. Which is a shame, because it means a lot of bands that don't adhere to that certain sound will probably be ignored.

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 668794)
nice photoshop by the way, dude.

It was on 4chan naturally :pimp:

Gone Sugaring 05-30-2009 01:15 AM

It saddens me that Neutral Milk Hotel and In The Aeroplane Over The Sea will now always be associated with Pitchfork and hipsterdom. To many times have I been called a hipster for saying it's my favorite my favorite album of all time. I was freaking twelve when I first heard it, I didn't even use the computer unless it for typing English assignments. I find it fascinating that even though even though it came in 90's, they managed to sell it anew to entire new audience. People give Pitchfork and blogs in general to much power, both the people who love them and hate them. It's to much hyping and then nothing but backlash and "UGHGHGH Why do you people like this band? Stupid hipsters!" Sorry, I felt like ranting.

Anyways, as for the original post, even though it's making fun of some of my favorite bands (well, NMH, Animal Collective and Radiohead, not so much MGMT) I thought it was pretty funny.

jacklovezhimself 05-30-2009 11:43 AM

How would one band pretend it's underground?
That's not the band's fault because it's the fans and reviewers that initiate the elitist shit.
I agree, it's dumb that indie produced a sound rather than just not being signed, but that doesn't mean that the music itself should be judged.
I can understand it being an indiefail but still after all this time, no one has ever given a valid explanation of what "hipster" really means.
This is a funny thread, but somewhere in the joke, you pushed it too far.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-30-2009 05:13 PM

I don't know why some people are getting so upset over this. I have music by all the bands being parodied here. Some I like more than others but I don't openly hate any of them.

I think this thread just goes to show exactly whats wrong with music these days. Too many acts being hailed as something they're not, blowing any sort of good qualities these bands have out of proportion to the point where you wonder if they're even talking around the same record.

It's always 'now! now! now!' , everything has to be mindblowingly brilliant about a first album, And if it's not most of the time they're written off after just 2 or 3 albums. Gone are the days when a band could learn their trade in relative obscurity honing their craft in both songwriting and playing. I mean aside from a one off novelty hit single nobody gave a **** about Thin Lizzy until their 6th album. And the same was true of a lot of bands like them at that time.

I don't blame the bands for any of all this, I blame the music press for having to sensationalise everything. I mean Oracular Spectacular was voted by the NME as the album of 2008 and given 8/10.

Lets think about that, 8/10. That means the NME think that album deserves a place among the top 20% of every album ever made ever. Which of course is ridiculous for a blatantly average electronica album.

That's why there's so much crappy music around, people are satisfied to overhype albums that are nothing more than average.

Bands don't even have to make an effort anymore to be praised to high heaven, just look at In Rainbows for proof of that.

adidasss 05-30-2009 05:23 PM

Two of the 4 parodied bands have actually traversed a fairly long road before coming to a point where their albums were called masterpieces. Of course, I don't see how that's relevant seeing as how there were and are bands which are able to produce a spectacular debut.

Also, this In Rainbows goading it becoming really tiresome. There's a very substantial mass of critics and regular people who praise that album, so unless you can find some sort of mathematical proof your opinion is more correct than others' you need to shut the fuck up and move on already.

sleepy jack 05-30-2009 05:28 PM

By the same token those people who praise it would need to find some evidence that their opinion is more valid than the naysayers. You can't have a strict set of standards which only apply to the group you disagree with.

Urban Hat€monger ? 05-30-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 669145)
Two of the 4 parodied bands have actually traversed a fairly long road before coming to a point where their albums were called masterpieces. Of course, I don't see how that's relevant seeing as how there were and are bands which are able to produce a spectacular debut.

I was talking in general rather than just about those 4 bands. And of course it works on a debut for some bands, but for a lot of bands it doesn't but people still want something to write about & find the 'next big thing' so they do overhyped these albums. So in effect it is perfectly relevant.


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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 669145)
Also, this In Rainbows goading it becoming really tiresome. There's a very substantial mass of critics and regular people who praise that album, so unless you can find some sort of mathematical proof your opinion is more correct than others' you need to shut the fuck up and move on already.

And me listening to the band since 1992 and having an opinion on it counts for nothing? I need mathematical proof of fuck all to express an opinion. Don't like it? then don't read it.

Meph1986 05-30-2009 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus (Post 668853)
It was on 4chan naturally :pimp:

GTFO my /mu/

Brad Stengel 05-30-2009 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus (Post 667491)
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...3509497901.jpg

NeutralHead Collective - In The Merryweather Rainbow over the Spectacular

Year: 2009

Track by Track review:

In The King of Pretend:
Oh my god, this is amazing, there's at least 50 different vocals hooks here with great songwriting:

"I am in the king of Pretend
I like to Pretend in the King
Pretend the King of In"

Repeated over and over.

Weekend Bodysnatcher:

An instrumental track with all four band members contributing a minute of music. This five minute epic is the second longest and most interesting song on the album, there is almost a drum solo, but the drummer decided against it. The guitarist also almost played a few notes in the blues scale but again decided against it.

Arid/Threadbare:

A minimalist track, the vocalist sings about his life growing up in the slums in England despite being from the Lakes District. The guitarist plays the same note over and over and the bassist has been fired by this point in the album.

Communist Reckoner:

A tasty electronic number, the bassist by this point has been replaced with a programmer, and they've managed to make something very unique for 1970. All the band members sing here creating a lovely vocal harmony.

Venus In Furs:

The band try their hand at a Velvet Underground song with their own jangly indie guitar riff. The singer Minces about mumbling the words while the drummer decides to play in 17/2 time.

Untitled:

A 1 minute band jam with the sound of the producer shooting himself in the background followed by laughs from the entire band.

Of Jigsaw, Falling and Place:

The big leading single from the album, recorded underwater, if you listen very closely you can hear severl screams as the guitarist is shocked over and over again. This is by far his best guitar playing, he's all over the place and manages to get some very interesting sounds out.

Partake:

A ballad with a difference, not wanting to sound stale or anything they've decided to play exactly the same song that was on their last album, but with different lyrics.

Reddish:

The band tries to replay the entire album in one song, sampling also from their earlier material. This Epic closer lasts a massive five minutes and fifty seconds, a record for the band. They didn't know if they should include it in the album because "our fans might not be able to appreciate such a long song" but I'm so glad they did.

Score: 10/10 a total indie masterpiece



That album actually sounds pretty interesting...although to fully mimic an indie release you would need the standard 11-12 tracks...

Although this seems to me like someone's jealous that the mainstream underground public doesn't recognize the relevance of 1970's prog...just a thought...

Brad Stengel 05-30-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 669151)
I was talking in general rather than just about those 4 bands. And of course it works on a debut for some bands, but for a lot of bands it doesn't but people still want something to write about & find the 'next big thing' so they do overhyped these albums. So in effect it is perfectly relevant.




And me listening to the band since 1992 and having an opinion on it counts for nothing? I need mathematical proof of fuck all to express an opinion. Don't like it? then don't read it.

And I would also like to state despite my criticism of this post, I still find In Rainbows dull as tits.

Comus 05-31-2009 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel (Post 669262)
That album actually sounds pretty interesting...although to fully mimic an indie release you would need the standard 11-12 tracks...

The band wanted to set itself apart from normal indie releases, and as such decided to only do nine.

Also why are people reading too much into this?

I saw that picture and was like "dude I have to review this album for the lulz".

Gareth Brown 05-31-2009 01:27 PM

Is anyone actually from the Lake District?

lieasleep 05-31-2009 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus (Post 669404)
Also why are people reading too much into this?

I saw that picture and was like "dude I have to review this album for the lulz".

i honestly thought this was real funny despite loving NMH and radiohead, i think people may be taking this a bit personally just because of who its coming from. if it was posted by someone who is an obvious indie lover then this post would have no sense of actual disdain for the parodied bands? not to put down comus or the post, like i said i thought it was awesome

Antonio 05-31-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus (Post 669404)
The band wanted to set itself apart from normal indie releases, and as such decided to only do nine.

Also why are people reading too much into this?

I saw that picture and was like "dude I have to review this album for the lulz".

well it worked imo

jackhammer 05-31-2009 02:57 PM

People rip the piss out of 'clicky' scenes all the time. I love Metal and the amount of times that the scene gets ripped is unbelievable but you gotta have a laugh about it now and again. Just because someone is ripping into it does that automatically mean that it's lessened your liking for the bands? It shouldn't matter one bit. If you like the bands then that's it. Get some thick skin people and if you wanna get your own back rip the crap out of metal bands. I am sure Comus would see the funny side too.

adidasss 05-31-2009 03:15 PM

Indie fans aren't that douchey...;)

dac 05-31-2009 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lieasleep (Post 669670)
i think people may be taking this a bit personally just because of who its coming from.

Yes. It was from the dude who took a picture of himself wearing a shirt that he had made that said Radiohead sucks. It's hard to take it as a joke when you know where Comus is coming from. With that said though, he's given me quite a few good recommendations.

sleepy jack 05-31-2009 04:29 PM

dac seriously just leave it alone.

Antonio 05-31-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 669758)
dac seriously just leave it alone.

i agree, dude, don't take it so personally

dac 05-31-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 669758)
dac seriously just leave it alone.

Well I was trying to explain myself but BAH! Leaving this thread forever.

Gareth Brown 05-31-2009 05:11 PM

I'm not a huge fan of any of those bands and i still don't think its very funny or clever really and if it had been about bands/scenes i like i wouldn't take it 'personally'. I see what Dac means about the tone, he clearly thinks he's being alot cleverer than he actually is.

lieasleep 05-31-2009 06:13 PM

well see NOW things are getting personal

Farfisa 05-31-2009 06:40 PM

Like what has been said before, 'twas a joke nothing more. I don't know why people have to get bent out of shape all of the time when it comes to poking fun at other bands. Personally I didn't find it very funny, regardless of who posted it.

Gareth Brown 05-31-2009 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lieasleep (Post 669834)
well see NOW things are getting personal

How? I think the whole thing comes across that way, if anyone else had posted it i would have reacted the same way.

lieasleep 05-31-2009 08:37 PM

...good point.

jacklovezhimself 06-01-2009 09:21 AM

If I had not known Comus to be such a douche before, it would have been so much funnier. HOWEVER, I can still show this to people and laugh my ass off.

Comus 06-01-2009 09:51 AM

I'm glad I have the desired effect on people.

Gareth Brown 06-01-2009 10:37 AM

What that they think you're an utter ****? Judging by some of your other posts i'd imagine that that effect would be a regular thing for you.

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-01-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown (Post 670222)
What that they think you're an utter ****? Judging by some of your other posts i'd imagine that that effect would be a regular thing for you.

You've just been allowed back after you made comments like this, don't push your luck.

The next one means you're gone for good.

Gareth Brown 06-01-2009 10:53 AM

Fair enough but others HAVE made similar comments in this thread, just because i have been banned once or twice before doesn't mean that my remarks should be flagged up more than others.

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-01-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown (Post 670230)
Fair enough but others HAVE made similar comments in this thread, just because i have been banned once or twice before doesn't mean that my remarks should be flagged up more than others.

Those have been dealt with as well.

jacklovezhimself 06-01-2009 03:53 PM

yeah they sure have...
:shycouch:

sweet_nothing 06-03-2009 09:00 PM

How did I miss this? I dont know whats funnier Comus' fake album or that fact that some of you were actually offended by it. I think it's brilliant, the first thing Comus has done that I actually liked.

lieasleep 06-04-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Comus (Post 668853)
See I associate indie with the generic mainstream music that comes out and pretends it's underground. The whole "indie" name has been tainted by a relation to a specific sound. People tend to forget all extreme metal is released on independent labels, yet no one would jump to call them indie. And as such the usage of the word indie is now, and probably always will be related to the sound of the band, rather than the actual label that they're on. Which is a shame, because it means a lot of bands that don't adhere to that certain sound will probably be ignored.

i agree with you entirely, and honestly, i would call any music released on an indie label "indie" it gets me pissed off that bands like the white stripes, death cab, coldplay, the decemberists, oasis, etc. are considered indie on any level. most of them released music on indie labels originally but all of them are now released on major labels. even radiohead isn't an "indie" band (although they will always be special in my mind because of their releasing in rainbows for free). out of the four bands that you were making fun of, i only consider two "indie" (NMH released by Merge and Animal Collective released by Domino). radiohead makes alt/ soft rock and so does MGMT. indie, like punk rock and every other retaliatory music movement (except for new age and avant garde) has been whored and commercialized.

my only point is, don't hate on indie people for liking this stuff because there are a lot of really devoted fans out there.

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 668822)
no, but its canonization as an indie classic is certainly Pitchfork's lamentable responsibility. if you haven't noticed yet, their influence is enormous and widespread on the indie community in general. and their seal of approval is equivalent to a mark of success for a band. it's a broken system but that's how it's been since the early 00s.

pitchfork does not make an indie band popular. ITAOTS had a very small but devoted following that has slowly grown since it was released 11 years ago. Pitchfork may have helped slightly but to say that the entire indie system is based on pitchfork is just wrong, you are overestimating pitchfork's influence a lot.

Brad Stengel 06-14-2009 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lieasleep (Post 673421)
i agree with you entirely, and honestly, i would call any music released on an indie label "indie" it gets me pissed off that bands like the white stripes, death cab, coldplay, the decemberists, oasis, etc. are considered indie on any level. most of them released music on indie labels originally but all of them are now released on major labels. even radiohead isn't an "indie" band (although they will always be special in my mind because of their releasing in rainbows for free). out of the four bands that you were making fun of, i only consider two "indie" (NMH released by Merge and Animal Collective released by Domino). radiohead makes alt/ soft rock and so does MGMT. indie, like punk rock and every other retaliatory music movement (except for new age and avant garde) has been whored and commercialized.

my only point is, don't hate on indie people for liking this stuff because there are a lot of really devoted fans out there.



pitchfork does not make an indie band popular. ITAOTS had a very small but devoted following that has slowly grown since it was released 11 years ago. Pitchfork may have helped slightly but to say that the entire indie system is based on pitchfork is just wrong, you are overestimating pitchfork's influence a lot.

People don't realise, it's just a fucking website...


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