Originally Posted by Gareth Brown (Post 670222)

What that they think you're an utter ****? Judging by some of your other posts i'd imagine that that effect would be a regular thing for you.

Originally Posted by Gareth Brown (Post 670230)

Fair enough but others HAVE made similar comments in this thread, just because i have been banned once or twice before doesn't mean that my remarks should be flagged up more than others.

Originally Posted by Comus (Post 668853)

See I associate indie with the generic mainstream music that comes out and pretends it's underground. The whole "indie" name has been tainted by a relation to a specific sound. People tend to forget all extreme metal is released on independent labels, yet no one would jump to call them indie. And as such the usage of the word indie is now, and probably always will be related to the sound of the band, rather than the actual label that they're on. Which is a shame, because it means a lot of bands that don't adhere to that certain sound will probably be ignored.

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 668822)

no, but its canonization as an indie classic is certainly Pitchfork's lamentable responsibility. if you haven't noticed yet, their influence is enormous and widespread on the indie community in general. and their seal of approval is equivalent to a mark of success for a band. it's a broken system but that's how it's been since the early 00s.

Originally Posted by lieasleep (Post 673421)

i agree with you entirely, and honestly, i would call any music released on an indie label "indie" it gets me pissed off that bands like the white stripes, death cab, coldplay, the decemberists, oasis, etc. are considered indie on any level. most of them released music on indie labels originally but all of them are now released on major labels. even radiohead isn't an "indie" band (although they will always be special in my mind because of their releasing in rainbows for free). out of the four bands that you were making fun of, i only consider two "indie" (NMH released by Merge and Animal Collective released by Domino). radiohead makes alt/ soft rock and so does MGMT. indie, like punk rock and every other retaliatory music movement (except for new age and avant garde) has been whored and commercialized.

my only point is, don't hate on indie people for liking this stuff because there are a lot of really devoted fans out there.



pitchfork does not make an indie band popular. ITAOTS had a very small but devoted following that has slowly grown since it was released 11 years ago. Pitchfork may have helped slightly but to say that the entire indie system is based on pitchfork is just wrong, you are overestimating pitchfork's influence a lot.