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Janszoon 09-03-2008 02:28 PM

Locking Threads
 
I realize we all don't want a bunch of duplicate threads, but I've been noticing threads being locked lately because there was some thread on a similar subject a year or two ago and that kind of seems like overkill to me. Is this really what we want? Personally, I think I'd rather see people starting new threads than resurrecting two year old threads full of posts by people who haven't logged in a year. Anyone with me on this?

Here's one example. Notice that the older thread that was linked to is four years old, hasn't had a new post in two years and was started by someone who hasn't visited MB since 2005.

Piss Me Off 09-03-2008 02:46 PM

It just keeps the place a lot more tidy. There's no point having like 10 threads for all the obvious bands that keep having threads made for them because the same thing will be said over and over again.

Urban Hat€monger ? 09-03-2008 03:05 PM

If someone comes along and starts a thread of a band that has an existing thread and it's done better than the one thats already there it's kept open.

However 99% of the time it isn't so it's either locked or merged.

and it's much easier to keep in order one thread with 50 replies than it is to keep 10 threads with 5 replies.

Janszoon 09-03-2008 03:17 PM

When there's another thread that's a couple weeks or months old I can totally understand merging (not locking) them, but when you're talking about a previous thread that is several years old it seems counterproductive. It's not like these older threads are hanging around on the first couple pages of their respective forums. As I mentioned in my OP, these threads are frequently several years old and filled with posts by people who haven't visited here in ages. It's hard to have a discussion with someone who no longer posts here, so locking threads by current posters and linking to threads by former posters feels more like it's stifling discussion than encouraging it.

Urban Hat€monger ? 09-03-2008 03:53 PM

I don't really see how it makes any difference, If your starting a new thread your not talking to those people anyway. If you have anything of note to say it won't make any difference where it's posted.

As it stands we find it easier to have one band = one thread. The only exceptions being album releases or reviews.

Piss Me Off 09-03-2008 03:59 PM

The way you have to see it is that bumping an old thread doesn't have to lead to continuing the same discussions which were started before it was bumped, in most cases it opens up new discussion for the new generation as it were.
Merging is the best thing to do, again it keeps the place tidy, but sometimes there's no point because the thread in question doesn't lend anything to discussion.

Janszoon 09-03-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 514066)
I don't really see how it makes any difference, If your starting a new thread your not talking to those people anyway. If you have anything of note to say it won't make any difference where it's posted.

Well if you think there's no difference, why bother locking the newer threads then?

But of course I do think there's a difference. The difference is this: It's easier to reply to a new thread full of current comments than it is to wade through 10 pages of comments by people who no longer post here.

Urban Hat€monger ? 09-03-2008 04:10 PM

Is it really that difficult to click on the last page?

And as I already said post something of note and it won't be locked 99.9% of the ones locked are just 'hey what do you think of this band' type posts.

Janszoon 09-03-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 514074)
The way you have to see it is that bumping an old thread doesn't have to lead to continuing the same discussions which were started before it was bumped, in most cases it opens up new discussion for the new generation as it were.

I see your point, but if you don't happen to jump in the day the thread gets resurrected it's really hard to find the beginning of the new conversation among 15 pages of posts from 2005.

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 514074)
Merging is the best thing to do, again it keeps the place tidy, but sometimes there's no point because the thread in question doesn't lend anything to discussion.

I'm not really sure I understand the whole "keeping the place tidy" reasoning. Like I mentioned earlier it's not as if there are multiple threads on the same topic in the first couple pages of the forum, we're talking about digging down to the deepest sub-basements of forums to find these old threads.

Janszoon 09-03-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 514083)
Is it really that difficult to click on the last page?

No. But that's not necessarily where the new conversation begins if you come across the resurrected thread more than a day after it came back from the grave.

By the same token, wouldn't it actually be easier for mods to just leave the new threads alone? It seems like it would be easier for everyone involved.

Urban Hat€monger ? 09-03-2008 04:23 PM

People will still bump the old threads. That way you have loads of new ones plus the old ones taking up the first page.

I've seen hell , and it's the rock & metal forum with about 12 slipknot threads on the first page. That's obviously what happens at it's most exaggerated but the point is more threads = threads being pushed down the forums quicker. That's what we mean when we talk about keeping things tidy making sure there's less clutter on the front pages.

And if people think that it's ok not to use the search function and just start a new thread everytime it WILL get worse.

Piss Me Off 09-03-2008 04:29 PM

It's not necessarily keeping tidy with the threads, it's keeping tidy with all the discussion contained within them. For the most part it's best to have everything to do with one band in one place, avoid everything being repated over and over again.

Yeah it would be easier if we just left the threads there but it's easier for everyone here if we keep everything in one place, people will get bored otherwise.

right-track 09-03-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 514088)

By the same token, wouldn't it actually be easier for mods to just leave the new threads alone? It seems like it would be easier for everyone involved.

It would help if people did a thread search before making a new thread, but that's beside the point.
Imagine making a decent thread that hasn't been posted in for a good while, then along comes a newb with the same thread idea, making your thread redundant.
Add the fact that what will be posted in the new thread will probably be regurgitated opinions from the old one anyway and very quickly the new thread becomes uninteresting to most of the older members who've read it all before.
I'd rather see a merge over a locked and linked thread though, unless the new one is crap as already mentioned.

Janszoon 09-03-2008 04:31 PM

Oh well, I've said everything I want to say and put in my two (or four or six) cents on the subject. Mostly if you guys are going to do something with duplicate threads I wish you'd merge them instead of locking them. I've had several experiences recently where I reply to a new thread and then it gets abruptly locked after the third post or whatever. It gets kind of frustrating.

Thanks to all of you for taking the time to discuss it though. :)

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 514089)
I've seen hell , and it's the rock & metal forum with about 12 slipknot threads on the first page.

LOL

Piss Me Off 09-03-2008 04:52 PM

By all means bump what you want dude within reason, if you have stuff to say then it's a shame for it to go to waste :)


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