See, it's plebian physics.

Was this a part off a greater discussion of free will and he was just getting caught up in things he wasn't aware of and being aggressively insecure about things he was worried might undermine his position in ways he wasn't aware of?

That's kind of simpleton thinking IMO.

Because it's the exact same thinking as his "binary" bull**** where everything has to be black and white. Either we'd have free will or we don't and nobody ever considered that free will could be a spectrum while completely ignoring my free will would depend on the cause and effect relationship of the universe to even exist take because it was antithetical to the hard stance you already took. It's just closed minded screaming delusions like when you tell a Christian there probably isn't a god and Jesus was made up. "There is a God! My book is proof! The Bible! The Bible!" Well here's an example of how free will could exist but in limited quantities. "Free will doesn't exist! Cause & effect! Cause & effect!"

Like, dude. It's literally all there. What are you not understanding?

I mean how the **** are you defining "free will"? At best "free will" is a flowery poetic description of just not having a gun to your head when you make decisions and at worst it's using quantum mechanics that nobody understands to invent magical reasons why the chemical reactions in your brain aren't deciding every choice you make as if you were a robot. I mean free will just doesn't make sense as a meaningful concept if you believe in science and don't believe in magic.

descriptive=/=prescriptive

And the chemicals in your brain are your brain unless you think that the mind and the body are distinct.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's magic. Free will would be the ability to choose a desired outcome. That would depend on the cause and effect relationship of the universe because there would be no meaning to choices if they had no affect. Just because it's influenced doesn't mean they aren't still YOUR will at the end of the day. It's literally what separates you from a rock that has no choice in how it reacts to something. It has no desired outcome. That would be why free will isn't an absolute like you guys argue it as, and it would be a spectrum depending on your ability to comprehend how things influence you and how you can influence other things. Of course you're not completely free and you'll always be limited by varying factors. Even going with the neurological thing, that wouldn't disprove free will. It only proves that how you process influencing events to determine what choice you want to make would be dependent on the cause & effect relationship of the world.

Exactly. Pointing out that who you are is just a natural part of the reactionary way the universe works doesn't exactly disprove free will as much as it proves my take that free will needs cause & effect to exist.

Meaningless.

Then you're agreeing with me that "choice" is a poetic description of reaction to stimuli.


Yeah you're literally describing a flowery poetic description of just not having a gun to your head when making decisions. What you're describing still relies on scientific equations deciding your responses. You're just desperate for a more magical reality where you aren't a biological robot.

Yeah that's not free will unless free will is a poetic flourish that has no real world meaning. You keep describing exactly what I'm talking about but insist on interpreting it in a poetic way that has no real world meaning because it would make you feel bad.