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Lucem Ferre · 05-01-2021, 06:17 PM

He didn't get banned this time. He was just having a Malthusian argument with elph and said that matter doesn't just produce it's self out of thin air and Marie was like, "well technically" and he tried to ridicule her for it and she of course schooled him because it's her job to know this stuff. Then we never saw him again. Our beautiful hawk flew away from us.

Raime · 05-01-2021, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

He didn't get banned this time. He was just having a Malthusian argument with elph and said that matter doesn't just produce it's self out of thin air and Marie was like, "well technically" and he tried to ridicule her for it and she of course schooled him because it's her job to know this stuff. Then we never saw him again. Our beautiful hawk flew away from us.

I must have missed this.

The Batlord · 05-01-2021, 06:37 PM

There must be more to that than is described cause the law of the conservation of matter is pretty clear.

Lucem Ferre · 05-01-2021, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

There must be more to that than is described cause the law of the conservation of matter is pretty clear.

Nope. Plebian physics.

The Batlord · 05-01-2021, 06:47 PM

I mean if Marie was disagreeing with a basic Newtonian law and that's all there is to it then I can relate to his frustration. Whatever our disagreements I've always 100% been with OH as far as a naturalistic model of the universe and what that entails for free will.

Lucem Ferre · 05-01-2021, 06:50 PM

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Ok so you're serious, so here's an elaborate answer. No I didn't misspeak, you're just not getting my point. You have to understand that I'm not like you, I don't bluff or double down in arguments. I did mention atomic bombs and stars in haste, which destroy mass and you can argue that mass isn't matter, so not a good example, but you can still create and destroy matter. I'll explain: conservation of matter still holds, if you assign a negative lepton number to antimatter, but that does NOT mean matter can't be destroyed or created, which was my point. Matter is destroyed and created all the time on a quantum scale. Why national geographic says you can't: physics comes at multiple levels. Many things you're taught in school are technically untrue, but at a practical level they hold and are true. In classical physics, you can't create/destroy matter, and no writer for national geographic is going to explain about quantum field theory to its readers, and how matter is just an energy excitation of a field. But among physists, if you talk about destroying matter, no one bats an eye

See, it's plebian physics.

The Batlord · 05-01-2021, 06:55 PM

Was this a part off a greater discussion of free will and he was just getting caught up in things he wasn't aware of and being aggressively insecure about things he was worried might undermine his position in ways he wasn't aware of?

Lucem Ferre · 05-01-2021, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I mean if Marie was disagreeing with a basic Newtonian law and that's all there is to it then I can relate to his frustration. Whatever our disagreements I've always 100% been with OH as far as a naturalistic model of the universe and what that entails for free will.

That's kind of simpleton thinking IMO.

Because it's the exact same thinking as his "binary" bull**** where everything has to be black and white. Either we'd have free will or we don't and nobody ever considered that free will could be a spectrum while completely ignoring my free will would depend on the cause and effect relationship of the universe to even exist take because it was antithetical to the hard stance you already took. It's just closed minded screaming delusions like when you tell a Christian there probably isn't a god and Jesus was made up. "There is a God! My book is proof! The Bible! The Bible!" Well here's an example of how free will could exist but in limited quantities. "Free will doesn't exist! Cause & effect! Cause & effect!"

Lucem Ferre · 05-01-2021, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Was this a part off a greater discussion of free will and he was just getting caught up in things he wasn't aware of and being aggressively insecure about things he was worried might undermine his position in ways he wasn't aware of?

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

He didn't get banned this time. He was just having a Malthusian argument with elph and said that matter doesn't just produce it's self out of thin air and Marie was like, "well technically" and he tried to ridicule her for it and she of course schooled him because it's her job to know this stuff. Then we never saw him again. Our beautiful hawk flew away from us.

Like, dude. It's literally all there. What are you not understanding?

The Batlord · 05-01-2021, 07:17 PM

I mean how the **** are you defining "free will"? At best "free will" is a flowery poetic description of just not having a gun to your head when you make decisions and at worst it's using quantum mechanics that nobody understands to invent magical reasons why the chemical reactions in your brain aren't deciding every choice you make as if you were a robot. I mean free will just doesn't make sense as a meaningful concept if you believe in science and don't believe in magic.