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05-01-2021 08:13 PM |
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Originally Posted by The Batlord
(Post 2171185)
Meaningless.
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It's okay to be confused. What I meant was that being able to describe a process doesn't mean that it was dictated.
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Then you're agreeing with me that "choice" is a poetic description of reaction to stimuli.
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Yep. Just like how reaction to stimuli is a clinical description of the word "choice." I've never disagreed with the idea that reaction to stimuli is what constitutes consciousness, I just think that being able to describe something isn't evidence against its existence—quite the opposite really.
I don't really ride for the phrase free will since it's based in the religious condemnation of man so no argument there. The word consciousness works just as well.
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Yeah you're literally describing a flowery poetic description of just not having a gun to your head when making decisions. What you're describing still relies on scientific equations deciding your responses. You're just desperate for a more magical reality where you aren't a biological robot.
Yeah that's not free will unless free will is a poetic flourish that has no real world meaning. You keep describing exactly what I'm talking about but insist on interpreting it in a poetic way that has no real world meaning because it would make you feel bad.
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You're the only one who introduced magic here. Maybe looking into what the words consciousness, choice, etc mean would be more useful than displacing them from their definitions but I'll let you take whatever approach you prefer. Pop scientists have made bank on your take.
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