Is that good time based on making others cry and leave the site for a good laugh? That's the only problem. Like I said: I'm not against all trolling. Just pushing people beyond their limit and going overboard. There's actually quite a difference between the two. A regular user doing that is just an ass in general. A mod doing it is different because they shouldn't do anything that could cause complaints from other users. That's just common sense.

I agree with you in terms of your second point, but at this forum specifically, we all have the reputation of pushing people's buttons, and 99% of the time, it results in a good laugh. Again, I don't like the way the mordwyr situation was handled, but that's more the fault of mordwyr not growing a pair and moving on from the situation. He could have 1: quit responding to Frownland's posts in his journal, but he continued to do so. 2: He could have not posted his hiatus thread and took a break on his own merits. But instead, he stooped down to the level that Frownland was also at, which makes both people at fault. We can't put the blame on just one when both were the reason it got escalated. Again, Frownland apologized for it.

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Well stated Ki.

i just imagine 75% of the active posters are angry old dudes, and the other 25% are guy fieri

I think he did move on. He realized he would not be able to deal with Frown's immaturity and decided to head for a better website. OIf the site's as bad as you claim, then I think he made the right choice. You can't expect him to "grow a pair" after one fight. And as a music user who's attracted to forums, I think he did grow a pair by looking for another website. I would know. I was stuck on a website for a long time because it was pretty active. I was constantly trolled, and it became second nature for people to troll me. So I left. I grew out of a long-held desire that things would just get better and I realized I can do better on another site. So I became more active on RYM. I agree that Mordwyr is at fault as well, but it seems like we'll just end up repeating this scenario in the future because Frownland, not Mordwyr, is pushing other users to do the exact same thing just so he can get a good laugh. Tell me how that is in anyway responsible for a moderator to do? Mordwyr left an already inactive site, and I'm willing to bet it's not the first. If people don't want this scenario to repeat itself so users can stay and the thread can become more popular and active, then the thing that should be purged is the one thing that's just as much at fault as the various users: Frownland's behavior, a common *******/troll behavior, asstroll behavior that shouldn't come from a moderator at all. I can handle a moderator doing some trolling. But there is no way that intentionally pushing a user to his emotional breaking point can be tolerable for staff members to do, not only considering the ethics of it but the aftermath that affects the site itself and not the users who weren't as involved in the scenario. Mordwyr wouldn't be to blame for the behavior of the users that an ******* pushes.

Wait, Frownland APOLOGIZED?

I agree.

Also, I apoligize for making this thread Frown. Love ya. Always have.

You're next, JGuy.

Just so we can end this back and forth, I'll say this one thing and drop it and it focuses on the very last thing you said, and I don't want you to think i'm ignoring you because I know where you're coming from. However, yes, Frownland did apologize. He said in a thread, can't remember if it was this one, or another one, but he admitted that it was 85-95% his fault that it escalated. It was as much of an apology as you can get. If mordwyr doesn't want to accept the apology, that's on him. But as I, and many others have stated, he's welcome back with open arms any time. Am I happy with the fact that his twitter account got mentioned here? No, but you know who put a stop to that? Frownland. He told people not to give information that a user is not willing to give out.

someone persuade frownland to turn his apology into a whole separate topic. these drama topics are always a big hit

Re: Hiatus
#apologyfromfrownland

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No one is saying to stop telling your shitty bad jokes between others that you know can take it but if you are around someone that you know is a sensie what's the point of being an asshole and constantly riding them when YOU know they don't like it and you KNOW that it isn't the same nature and banter that you have with your regular denizens that can take it. I'm really against this whole "blah blah blah he should just grow a pair" mentality. You don't have a be a decent person all the time but if you know someone is going to take something the wrong way then leave them the fuck alone and troll someone else that can actually take it.

You know this yet you still push. That's basically saying you don't give a fuck about him and he can go die in a fire for all you care. People tend to forget just because we are online that there are real people typing the shit that comes onto the forum and they have feelings.



I agree with this.

Maybe I don't know all the details behind this event but weren't you guys at one point intentionally hurting someone's feelings. I get saying something off color and not knowing that it would offend someone but if they speak up and say something about it and you continue to ride them then you are the fucking asshole and something should be done about it. There are rules on this site and there is something about not personally insulting someone that is loosely enforced but I feel like it's saved for situations just like this where you are intentionally hurting someone's feelings. Not just regular insults between members that are just joshing with each other.

I agree that mods aren't expected to act a certain way but they should be doing more than just cleaning up spam. Like I mentioned earlier about the insult rule and also trying to diffuse situations that get heated especially in political threads by locking them for a bit to let all the parties cool off if they are getting to the point of angrily insulting each other and meaning it.

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Fixed that for you but accurate.

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Damn well said.

I legitimately don't give a **** though, dj.

I guess I get that and you don't really view members here as friends maybe or even as a person but in your role you should at least care if someone is being insulted. It's in your job requirements to enforce that part. To punish/penalize people for doing it.

Maybe you need a refresher on the rules you are supposed to be enforcing.

Here ya go

http://www.musicbanter.com/announcem...-10-07-12.html

Rule number 16: caring is against the rules.

I'm just doing my job man.

I would like to add a few things to this whole discussion if I may...

1. Mordwyer was antagonized. Yes. He also reported a post when he felt a user farted while making the post. I can screenshot the reported posts page and you can see for yourself how much of a baby he came off as. The religious antagozing was overboard yes, but that doesn't make Mordwyer a martyr.
2. If you guys think Frownland doesn't get sh*t from the other mods including myself you're mistaken. We moderate our team as well as the board.
3. To be fair, it's not against the rules to be an assh*le. Frownland can be an assh*le. Batlord is generally almost always an assh*le. This Frownland crusade really has been petty. I've seen the reported Frownland posts. I wouldn't be surprised if I got one for him saying "sh*t" on this page. Until Frownland really proves he's not a capable mod, he'll remain one.
4. Lastly, I need to explain something. Half the moderator staff are a bit absent. They sign in when they can and it's totally fine with the rest of us that they remain on the team until they can come back. This website is NOT busy enough to oust moderators for a little bit of inactivity. That being said, there are still a lot of posts to go through and make sure everything is copecetic. A lot. Right now, there's about six of us who are on almost every day. Frownland is on a lot. Part of the reason he was made a mod is because he's online often and can help with the constant barrage of spam that you users do not see. Frownland is a valuable part of this team and will not be de-modded just because his opinions can come off jagged sometimes. So seriously, enough.

There used to be times on this forum where users were banned by not to be named past moderators for less than a normal every day occurrence on this board. The forum has become more lenient because the user base has become more friendly with each other. The bans come when they are necessary and trust me, mods are told when they f*ck up just as much as regular users. I'm not going to allow ACTUAL bullying or insulting against any member or mod by any member or mod, but lately, this forum has become very PC.

This isn't a ploy to end this conversation by the way. Feel free to continue but I just needed to chime in with how I feel over the whole thing.

I honestly feel like we're going in circles with all this. Things have been said multiple times and nothing is really changing because they don't need to change. I'd see no issue with closing this thread as it's just going to continue going in circles until someone gets fed up. We've all said our parts, but to make it go any longer than necessary, to me, seems pointless.

On second thought, forget all that, im with Ki, shut this thread down.

I'll shut this f*cker down if I get more input. That's two votes.

change frown's blue name to red. it can be the forum's version of the scarlet letter. frownland apologists and team #downwithfrown will both be happy

Yeah, take it down. I was a little too in the moment with making this thread but I never really wanted Frownland gone, so it's good the issues were brought up and settled. Much love to Frownland, even though he has his bad moments.

I understand the whole forum getting too PC thing as well, and I can't say I would've acted like Mordwyr did, but I understand both sides and hope he comes back at some point.

What does "PC" mean?

Politically correct.

Prank comments.

Oh, you sly dog ;)

Thread closed until Frownland f*cks up royally wherein I'll open it back up to make fun of him.

Nuh uh. We're Acids. And we're mean. Dude.