^Actually no. I haven't listened to any of his newer stuff, just those 80s albums. So, what does it sound like today? Have you heard it?

It's called "HIDE" and it's being hailed as one of his best in a while. I got my copy yesterday and I really like it. You can listen to some excerpts from it on the official website. I cannot post a url link as I do not have 15 posts yet. ;)

i was thinking of picking up hide....it's pretty cheap on the Foetus website

have you heard JG Thrilwell's solo album....'Manorexia: The Mesopelagic Waters'....released earlier this year.....its quite good

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I still have not got that album, although it sounds pretty good. I have got quite a lot of Jims stuff, although that one still eludes me. Is it a recommendation of yours then?

oh yeah....thrilwell doing what he does best :)

I must get myself a copy then when I get the chance.

>>> Is there a website where I can find this stuff? It's pretty hard to find.


brainwashed.com is a great place to start - or iheartnoise.com (go to forums after the main logo screen)

I disappear for so long and this thread is still going, wow.

yep coil is good, industrial type stuff maybe some skinny puppy allready mentioned in here but they are good, nekropolis play what i would discribe as industrial kraut rock, as for electronic industrial freak noise i have resently found my new favorite band apocalyptic frequency experience are ****in awsome, as for electronic as iv'e said befor :) you can't go past klause schulze, if you want ambient pete namlook is a sure bet and if you join the two you have a super electronic ambient in the form of the DARK SIDE OF THE MOOG ten disc set and one bonus the making of the dark side of the moog, pete namlooks AIR albums are also good ambient music, ALIEN AMBIENT GALAXY would have to be one of my favorit amdient albums, Manuel Gottsching does some good wat i would call ambient music, here's another place you might find what your looking for, Justnotnormal Netlabel , looks like iv'e got a lot of listning to do by the looks of all the bands you guys have put in here,

I can write a paragraph or two about why I like this kind of music, but I'm not sure that you are gonna warm yourself to it just because of the bunch of words. It would be nice to know where are you coming from. What have you tried from this kind of music? I've seen in another thread that you don't get Throbbing Gristle. It sounds strange to you 'cause you're not familiar with its aesthetics. In that case it's essential to have a curiosity to try and figure it out. Without a genuine curiosity you're not really open to it even though you say you are.

If you really want to hear more than just yelling and noise in it, it would be a good idea to try to understand the aesthetics of the ugly, the use of dissonance, order in chaos etc, and how that affects our feelings when we consume it in art form. But, it's not enough to understand this intellectually, you have to feel it and enjoy it, even though it brings you discomfort. And that exactly is the point. Learn to enjoy unpleasantness and discomfort on an aesthetic level. Experience with experimental music and art in general is extremely helpful. Maybe then it'll come to you. I really don't know how else can I help you get it. I can't lend you my ears.

I'm not really sure Xiu Xiu belongs to any of the categories of music that this thread is about. So maybe that might be a stumbling block for you right there.

It seems to me that he/she has problems with any music that is a bit more experimental in one way or another.

As a old good freind richard stockwell once said to me on the subject of why we like this kind of music, he simply said that our souls where in tune to this type of music, i listin to radio and tv crap and think how the f@#k can anyone like this crap, and the reason is because people who listin to that crap listin to it because they are told to listin to it because if it's on the radio or tv it must be good? people like that have no soul and no originality and no balls to venture through to another way of hearing yourself and the world around you.

I personally think that Industrial in it's original ideology wanted to be the complete antithesis of Rock.

If anything it could be compared to free form Jazz in that the purpose was to break down traditional structures and reassemble them as it sees fit.

I think the problem with Industrial as a tag is that Rock and Metal has become synonymous with it due to bands assimilating the often cacophonous nature of Industrial music and that the essence of Industrial music has since become very distorted.

If you listen to Einsturzende Neubauten's album Kollaps it is easy to equate it to Rock music due to the pummeling nature of the sounds they created but I certainly think that the whole idea behind it was to be diametrically opposed to that sort of music.

Some subgenres of Industrial music are pretty rock influenced, yeah. Coldwave, or "machine rock" being the prime example. Bands like Chemlab and 16 Volt.

16 Volt are a weird band like that, because some songs will be pretty heavy, good songs to play live, and some will be very minimalistic and electronic; the kind DJs could easily play in clubs.

i could not agree with jackhammer more

i think in the beginning of "industrial" the concept was to create something new that was not influenced at all by anything music wise....especially rock.....and its there in the earlier bands ....i mean Throbbing Gristle is by far much more influenced by ABBA and 60s Psychedelic pop much more than traditional "rock"....i heard an interview with Gen not to long ago whwere he states how upset the four of them were becoming because within their own experiment they were being pinned as being one certain way....which he said they were that way....i think it was nihilistic...but there was much more complex layers to what they were doing.....

and yeah when i listen to Kollaps....which is actually pretty often....although there is obvious use of traditional "rock" instruments.....ie guitar and bass....they are hardly used in the conventional way

i'm trying my hardest to think of whaen the typical "industrial" sound and rock music really started to blend so wel.....although i don't think its the first....its probably one of the most influential albums....but Ministry's The Land of rape and Honey seems to me to be a big change for the genre as a whole

Industrial is a very loose term and it's hard to pin down just what defines it, but it's one of those things where you KNOW something's Industrial when you hear it.

i have never personally considered foetus as an industrial band

He's a pretty mixed bag but some of his stuff definitely fits the bill.

i agree 100%......esp. with the earlier stuff....

Does this forum have a minimalist guy?

You know, a guy with a niche for minimalism. The way you seem to be the avant garde guy.

Well, I think I have a relatively firm grasp on minimalism. I'd like to apply to be the resident minimalist here. Lol, but seriously, I'm all about it.

What do you mean by "under construction" concerning your forum? Could I join?

Bastard Noise is helping me get into the harsh stuff. If I can grow an ear for teen pop, than I can safely say I like every genre of music imaginable.

harsh? as in power electronics and harsh noise?

Well both, I guess. Their works have been placed into both categories, and me, well I don't know the difference yet. I'm a newbie when it comes to plain old noise. But I should give it a chance, considering how much stuff I like that involves noise incorporation, and that I love drone, which seems to be pretty similar in some ways.

look into Brighter Death Now....i suggest getting the albums Innerwar and Obsessis

seriously good noise/power electronics :)

* Esplendor Geométrico (that is, "Geometric Splendor" in Spanish). Since 1980. Some examples:

Rotor (from album Mekano Turbo, 1988) and Trybuna Robotnicza I (album Kosmos Kino, 1988):

Comme Un Seul Narcisse by Felicia Atkinson and Jefre Cantu-Ledesma

https://shelterpress.bandcamp.com/al...-seul-narcisse

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vic...-stream-review

https://img.discogs.com/LHQJpjKuiQ2W...89564.jpeg.jpg

The Flayed God by Jorge Reyes

https://staalplaatlabel.bandcamp.com...the-flayed-god

experimental tribal ambient

very high recommendations

Aithein by OREN AMBARCHI / STEFANO PILIA / MASSIMO PUPILLO

https://karlrecords.bandcamp.com/album/aithein

Experimental ambient

inade burning flesh

Modern Pressure - Type Recordings by Kane Ikin

https://img.discogs.com/VDEOyZc2c9u3...-2061.jpeg.jpg

https://kaneikin.bandcamp.com/album/...ype-recordings

Soirée fantastique by Asmus Tietchens

https://aufabwegen.bandcamp.com/albu...-e-fantastique

https://coldspring.co.uk/index.php?r...roduct_id=6233

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmus_Tietchens