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dankrsta 03-23-2011 07:00 AM
OK, it's a deal :)

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 03-23-2011 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1022891)
I'd like you to upload a link, it looks interesting!
Certainly, if you want to try something 'unique' here's the place. Welcome to the weirdo corner. Just find comfort in the fact that when you go insane, all of us here in the Avant-club are too, so you'll be right at home.

TockTockTock 03-23-2011 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Skaligojurah (Post 1022985)
Certainly, if you want to try something 'unique' here's the place. Welcome to the weirdo corner. Just find comfort in the fact that when you go insane, all of us here in the Avant-club are too, so you'll be right at home.
Yup, we're all insane. :D

dankrsta 03-25-2011 01:08 PM
The new poll is open.

Scarlett O'Hara 03-25-2011 09:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skaligojurah (Post 1022985)
Certainly, if you want to try something 'unique' here's the place. Welcome to the weirdo corner. Just find comfort in the fact that when you go insane, all of us here in the Avant-club are too, so you'll be right at home.
Thanks, I love weird music, so this is right my alley. Shame on me for not coming here sooner.

TockTockTock 03-25-2011 09:20 PM
No idea what to vote on...

ThePhanastasio 03-26-2011 11:10 PM
Haha - should I be offended that no one is voting for my rec? It legitimately is pretty out there, whilst maintaining some manner of musicality.

dankrsta 03-27-2011 06:45 AM
Haha, no, its turn will come. I won't be adding new suggestions for a while, 'cause there are a couple of old recs still not elected.

OccultHawk 03-27-2011 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio (Post 1025388)
Haha - should I be offended that no one is voting for my rec? It legitimately is pretty out there, whilst maintaining some manner of musicality.
Yours is near the top of what I'm interested in checking out actually. I'm just a punk who votes for his own suggestions. I've also had a tendency to lean toward things I'm already familiar with (except for the Partch, which I can't stand). Which is stupid and contrary to what this is all about, I know.

Sentience 03-27-2011 04:00 PM
Not really worth pointing out, but... it's Arthur Russell, not Arthur Russel

dankrsta 03-27-2011 04:48 PM
Oh yeah, good catch. I'll add an l.

dankrsta 03-28-2011 11:10 AM
Since there was a three way tie, let's vote again for these three options: Nuclear Rabbit, Hermann Nitsch or Konstantin Raudive.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 03-28-2011 09:24 PM
I'd like to suggest:

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Art Zoyd - Berlin

http://www.progarchives.com/progress...1130102010.jpg

Strange very beautiful album by the fiercely underrated, and overlooked chamber-prog outfit Art Zoyd. This is the last album they've ever written that wasn't a silent movie soundtrack, and probably their last album as a 'band' rather than a 20, or so member mini-orchestra.(they're quite as big at this point but not as). This is the point where they really really were starting to invest in electronics, and this is pretty much an industrial album. Yet, a very melodic industrial album, and in 1989 probably one of the first few of it's kind.

dankrsta 03-29-2011 11:45 AM
^I've listened to 4 Art Zoyd albums so far, but not that one. I think I've heard one track from it and it was very different from their early work.

Anyway, the voting is over. I arrived to another tie and it was on me to untie it. Konstantin Raudive interests me more, tbh, but I decided to vote for Nuclear Rabbit, because it's in the poll for too long, being one of the first suggestions.

So, this week we're listening to Nuclear Rabbit - Vicuna

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Originally Posted by Mrd00d (Post 985559)
I too am truly excited about this club. My plate will be full of homework! :D

I want to nominate something more recent, sort of.

At first I wanted to nominate a Mr. Bungle or some other Mike Patton project right off, but I do feel we'll head that way someday naturally.

I want to nominate something overlooked.

I think this will be the time and place to nominate Nuclear Rabbit's first release Vicuna. It's available in all the usual internet places and on their website/the bassist's website (jeanbaudin) so despite being generally unheard of, they're not nobodies. They left a noticeable mark on California, at least, as well as attaining a worldwide audience (ya know, here and there).

I think it would be best described as a red-headed stepchild of Mr. Bungle. A kind of experimental thing. Really great lyrics when you catch them. The band knows what they're doing with their instruments. Their range of sounds is impressive. Hear it to understand. They are unique. Lyrics, photos, etc. at nuclearrabbit.co.uk as well (fansite)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MrUHzkuYVb...0/NRVicuna.jpg

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 03-29-2011 11:49 AM
Hmmm... wonder where Mr.D00d has been. Hopefully his interest didn't just fizzle out, and he left.

Anyway, I'd like to be first in line for the link registries.

OccultHawk 03-29-2011 01:26 PM
please link me up

please

dankrsta 04-02-2011 01:46 PM
Oops, sorry, I almost forgot to reset the poll. With a little delay you can start voting now.

Oh and, I will include Art Zoyd in the next poll. I want to give a chance to albums that are in there for too long to be selected.

TockTockTock 04-04-2011 04:07 PM
Have one suggestion. It's called Live at the Zodiak - Berlin 1968 (2009).

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

It's by an early Krautrock band called Human Being. It's pretty much a noise rock/experimental/krautrock/free improvisation album. It has only one track that lasts 56 minutes and 34 seconds. Just by listening to ten minutes of it I can tell you this seems like a great and interesting album to check out.

These guys do a better job at summing it up: Music Review: Human Being - Live at the Zodiak

Thanks to Noise, I was able to obtain a download. :D

clutnuckle 04-04-2011 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1030660)
Have one suggestion. It's called Live at the Zodiak - Berlin 1968 (2009).

http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-150-1829198-1246202886.jpeg

It's by an early Krautrock band called Human Being. It's pretty much a noise rock/experimental/krautrock/free improvisation album. It has only one track that lasts 56 minutes and 34 seconds. Just by listening to ten minutes of it I can tell you this seems like a great and interesting album to check out.

These guys do a better job at summing it up: Music Review: Human Being - Live at the Zodiak

Thanks to Noise, I was able to obtain a download. :D
got this myself recently; haven't yet sunk my teeth into it.

dankrsta 04-05-2011 05:34 AM
Sorry guys for the delay. My internet connection was bugging me last night, I couldn't post at all.

So, based on votes, the winner this week is Arthur Russell - Another Thought

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 985262)
Another one is Arthur Russel's album Another Thought. It was released in 1994, and is considered to be one of his best album. When Russel was slowly dying of AIDs, he decided to lean a bit on artistic sign (for what I know, he had previously had a very "poppy" sound to his music, but I'm not entirely sure). He uses a cello and often adds a bit of distortion to it to give it an interesting feel. If you listen to how he plays, it is very strange and definitely has an avant-garde sound with atypical pauses and note sequences. Although, his voice is very "folky" to me when he sings. Anyways, I wouldn't consider it the greatest avant-garde/experimental album ever recorded, but I do think it deserves a bit of merit.

http://brainwashed.com/brain/images/...er_thought.jpg
http://www.musicbanter.com/avant-gar...on-thread.html

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 04-05-2011 08:17 AM
link me!

TockTockTock 04-05-2011 03:30 PM
I completely forgot about nominating that album. Good to see it finally won, though.

TockTockTock 04-05-2011 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by clutnuckle (Post 1030708)
got this myself recently; haven't yet sunk my teeth into it.
Yea, I've already listened to it twice, and I can tell you I was not disappointed.

clutnuckle 04-08-2011 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1031303)
Yea, I've already listened to it twice, and I can tell you I was not disappointed.
Just listened to it myself; I like it. Not an outstanding release but the diversity of the drone as time goes on is very engaging, and the historical value of it is very endearing as well.

dankrsta 04-08-2011 04:20 PM
The poll is open.

dankrsta 04-11-2011 03:54 PM
And this week we're listening to Konstantin Raudive - Voices of the Dead


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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1015103)
Since my suggestion won I would like to toss another out there for the next list:

http://cdn.7static.com/static/img/sl...557246_350.jpg

Voices of the Dead
by Konstantin Raudive


Voices of the Dead | CD WOW! Deutschland

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Voices of the dead - a fascinating project taken out of a mysterious past and relocated in the present - an important documentation and reinterpretation of early recordings, electronic experiments and oral history. featuring DJ Spooky, Scanner, Random Inc, Lee ranaldo, Ensemble, David Toop, CM Von hausswolff, Calla. for many, the first traces of the Raudive Tapes were in William Burroughs fictions and articles. The fact is, these mysterious magnetic tapes, which capture the voices of the dead, and were recorded by the baltic scientist Konstantin Raudive, are not a fiction but a reality (we are not here to judge their scientific objectivity ). featuring archives + exclusive pieces of music based on the Raudive material. Excellent packaging and artwork. Great bio and liner notes in English.

dankrsta 04-15-2011 11:33 AM
You can start voting. The poll is open.

OccultHawk 04-16-2011 09:44 AM
I have a new candidate:

http://images.musicnet.com/albums/049/931/025/a.jpeg

Ives Plays Ives The Complete Recordings of Charles Ives at the Piano, 1933-1943

Amazon.com: Ives Plays Ives The Complete Recordings of Charles Ives at the Piano, 1933-1943: Charles Ives: Music

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Ives recorded seventeen different pieces, ranging from the early March No. 6 and rejected Largo for Symphony No. 1 to the “improvisations” that indeed may have been freshly created in front of the microphone in 1938. But most of the music recorded—the Four Transcriptions from “Emerson,” the Studies Nos. 2, 9, 11, and 23, and the “Emerson” movement of Sonata No. 2 for Piano: Concord, Mass.—is related closely to Ives’s early, unfinished Emerson Overture for Piano and Orchestra (circa 1910–11). This reissue restores this historic recording, originally issued by CRI but unavailable for several years, to the catalogue

dankrsta 04-16-2011 01:04 PM
It's time I suggest something again. Don't see her mentioned on this forum at all. Therefore, I suggest:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...olmenMusic.jpg

Meredith Monk - Dolmen Music (1981)

This suggestion is partly inspired by this month's minimalist compilation and partly by the fact that we haven't listened to any vocal acrobatics in this album club. Those of you who are familiar with Meredith Monk, I guess you already know this album. She's a New York minimalist composer best known for her unique and brave vocal explorations. She's also a filmmaker and some of her works include theater and dance. This album is probably best known of her work. It showcases her innovations as a vocalist, accompanied by minimal music. Despite being very adventurous and unpredictable in that regard, it's wonderfully listenable, which is something I admire greatly. No matter how stumped you may be at first, her voice evokes a wide range of emotions, from deeply personal to those universal and archetypal.

starrynight 04-16-2011 03:06 PM
Yes Meredith Monk is good.

But I wonder how you define experimental as it can crossover into over areas like jazz and classical. I would say Charles Ives for instance is classical.

OccultHawk 04-16-2011 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1037263)
Yes Meredith Monk is good.

But I wonder how you define experimental as it can crossover into over areas like jazz and classical. I would say Charles Ives for instance is classical.
This is avant-garde/experimental. Ives is definitive avant garde and extremely experimental. He practically single-handedly introduced extreme dissonance, a hundred years ago.

starrynight 04-16-2011 03:57 PM
I don't mind, people can categorize things however they want (I'm not arguing over issues like that), it just seems an interesting thing to look at. Experimental can cover all genres, just like at the other extreme perhaps pop can too. Every genre has a more experimental side, but also a more pop side.

And on this particular thing I suppose it depends how you define extreme dissonance, others had used harsh dissonance before him. Whatever his influence may or may not be the music still has to stand on it's own merit of course. And I tend to more interested in that than who may have done something first or who influenced others or not.

TockTockTock 04-16-2011 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1037213)
Damn... I would've voted for this if it was in the poll.

clutnuckle 04-16-2011 09:32 PM
i won't be able to participate for a few more weeks due to particularly taxing obligations, but it's still nice to read up on the most recent threads. i'm jealous of the selections i'll likely be missing out on :/

OccultHawk 04-17-2011 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by clutnuckle (Post 1037362)
i won't be able to participate for a few more weeks due to particularly taxing obligations, but it's still nice to read up on the most recent threads. i'm jealous of the selections i'll likely be missing out on :/
Just catch up on them a few weeks later or whenever you have the time. Bump the old threads; that's what they're there for!

OccultHawk 04-17-2011 04:53 AM
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others had used harsh dissonance before him
Name one Western musician who used that level of dissonance before before 1910.

starrynight 04-17-2011 07:54 AM
And how do you measure dissonance? Some pieces I like by Ives aren't dissonant really anyway. So all I care about is whether I like the music not some technical details.

OccultHawk 04-17-2011 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1037455)
And how do you measure dissonance? Some pieces I like by Ives aren't dissonant really anyway. So all I care about is whether I like the music not some technical details.
Whatever. You said that others used harsh dissonance before him but you can't back that up because he pioneered its use in that form. I never said he only uses dissonance and it's not a 'technical detail'. It's crucial knowledge for anyone interested in avant garde music.

starrynight 04-17-2011 09:04 AM
But in what form? The use of dissonance in music could go back to Jean-Fery Rebel's The Elements, Haydn's Creation, Mozart's Dissonance Quartet. Ives uses it apparently as a contrast to tonal elements in some of his pieces as well. Prokofiev may have done some early dissonant piano pieces.

One area Ives may have been original - if it really matters - is polytonality. Not sure many composers since have really used that technique (again, if it really matters whether it's influential or not).

I think the crucial knowledge for people listening to experimental music is really just getting used to a style a piece of music is in That could be classical, jazz, electronica or other kinds of music

OccultHawk 04-17-2011 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by starrynight (Post 1037481)
But in what form? The use of dissonance in music could go back to Jean-Fery Rebel's The Elements, Haydn's Creation, Mozart's Dissonance Quartet. Ives uses it apparently as a contrast to tonal elements in some of his pieces as well. Prokofiev may have done some early dissonant piano pieces.

One area Ives may have been original - if it really matters - is polytonality. Not sure many composers since have really used that technique (again, if it really matters whether it's influential or not).

I think the crucial knowledge for people listening to experimental music is really just getting used to a style a piece of music is in That could be classical, jazz, electronica or other kinds of music

The form I mean is traditional instruments for an orchestra.

Those are good examples, especially Rebel (I need to learn more). Haydn, too, has really surprised me. Still, I don't think these composers made anything like the clashing dissonances of Ives but we should probably save it for when my nomination wins the vote.


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