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OccultHawk 01-30-2011 08:52 AM
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Isn't Buckethead automatically reigning champ?
No.


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Karel Jandek
Jandek has a first name?

Howard the Duck 01-30-2011 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 994355)
Jandek has a first name?
Yeah

TockTockTock 01-30-2011 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrd00d (Post 994354)
I know.

I understand you.

I wasn't setting up a best guitarist ever discussion in your thread, I was entering my opinion that Buckethead is very avant-garde/experimental and I hold him as best of the type.

What I was noting was that he doesn't fare as well in general best guitarist ever discussions against more conventional players, for he is too complex and ... avant-garde. So this is his bread and butter right here...

And if you would like, I could post some examples of how he is the best, in the avant-garde/experimental context at least... I just didn't want to spam a bunch of Buck videos right off the bat...

I'll get some up in a bit, then.

But off the top of my head (top of my bookmarks), here's an example (NSFW):



Yes, I find that very soothing. Not the graphic torture imagery, but the music, mind you. The graphic torture imagery is just kind of :crazy: but nothing we desensitized humans can't handle, eh?
That song doesn't seem all that avant-garde. It just seems like some thrash metal type. The video was strange, though... reminded me of a show called Metalacolypse or something like that.

OccultHawk 01-30-2011 09:05 AM
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That song doesn't seem all that avant-garde.
It's not at all. It's thrashy prog rock.

Pushing the boundaries is something like Lee Renaldo's locked grooves.

BTW, that imagery is Hieronymus Bosch.

Mrd00d 01-30-2011 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 994366)
It's not at all. It's thrashy prog rock.

Pushing the boundaries is something like Lee Renaldo's locked grooves.

BTW, that imagery is Hieronymus Bosch.
I'm a tad bit discouraged. Maybe I made a poor choice of an example.
Maybe I'm completely off base on the whole concept of experimental music, or avant-garde music.

I must hear more of your opinions about Buckethead. He has a broad discography to talk about, spanning many different sounds. Some albums, such as Funnel Weaver, I found to be definitively experimental. So I suppose I'm just curious if you find him to be not experimental in the least, or if you were just referring to that particular song or wha?

Thanks
:shycouch:

TockTockTock 01-30-2011 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrd00d (Post 994392)
I'm a tad bit discouraged. Maybe I made a poor choice of an example.
Maybe I'm completely off base on the whole concept of experimental music, or avant-garde music.

I must hear more of your opinions about Buckethead. He has a broad discography to talk about, spanning many different sounds. Some albums, such as Funnel Weaver, I found to be definitively experimental. So I suppose I'm just curious if you find him to be not experimental in the least, or if you were just referring to that particular song or wha?

Thanks
:shycouch:
Well, I don't know about OccultHawk, but I was just talking about the song in particular. Buckethead's overall discography definitely has some experimental elements. I'm not entirely sure that he is avant-garde, though. I've only really been looking into the genre for about three or four months, so maybe OccultHawk or someone else could shed a little light on this.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 01-30-2011 10:33 AM
His first couple albums seemed composed entirely off of samples. They were somewhat Avant-Garde, and he does utilize a lot of strange devices such as midi guitar.

A lot of his albums are straight guitar-work, though.

btw, this song is amazing:

OccultHawk 01-30-2011 10:43 AM
I haven't heard everything Buckethead has done. When I think of experimental guitar work I'm thinking along these lines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb-GPdnfbyI (Keith Rowe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWCbPuU-i4k (Lee Renaldo)

It's not like metal or prog or folk (nods to Fahey though) done weirder. It's totally in its own domain. From what I see from Buckethead, it's a hodgepodge of ideas thrown together with a lot of technical skill but even if it's short/ blended/ mixed and so on- show me something of his that is really in a different universe the way my picks are. But still there's another intangible, his music doesn't flip out my subconscience. Most of the 'experimental' stuff I like fills me with a deep sense of doom like seeing into my death. And I don't hate Buckethead, I get a kick out of him. But he doesn't have the power to leave me distorted and wrung out like Lee Renaldo and upset like I've been tripping too long and can't seem to shake it.

clutnuckle 01-30-2011 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrd00d (Post 994344)
Isn't Buckethead automatically reigning champ?

He gets shot down in best guitarist (in general) discussions all the time for being ... too off the wall, too experimental.
Not from what I've heard. I've heard 4-5 of his solo albums, all of the ones people tote as his most 'expansive' and they're not really experimental. Just quick, clean albeit enjoyable instrumental rock/metal. His use of pedals and whatnot isn't very avant-anything, and his solos are still very encroached in safe territory, regardless of how fast they are. Plus his compositions themselves are still often simple and poppy... Nothing wrong with that in the slightest, but it's not experimental.

clutnuckle 01-30-2011 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 994357)
Yeah
Oh, so you meant the guy who records under the name Jandek? RYM says his full name is "Sterling Richard Smith", so I figured there wouldn't be a first name for it. I've heard one of his albums and it's really cool, albeit taxing as hell...


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