Music Banter - pc issue of the day pt. 4:33 isn't music

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Originally Posted by Machine (Post 1611092)

Even if that was true (which it isn't as there is completely a point for the composition, but I digress)

Besides an intellectual statement? What? Cause no matter what you put on the page, the result would be exactly the same.

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how would that discredit it as music.

By itself, it might not, as written composition isn't necessary to make music (f.ex. free improvisation), but when your composition is an actual lack of sound, then how have you created music?

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You just agreed with me that silence is part of musical composition.

Contraction of the sphincter is also a part of farting. If I contract my sphincter without passing any gas, am I farting?

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty (Post 1611096)

Oh I wasn't criticizing you I was criticizing him.

In other news I'm trying to make dance music entirely out of white noise from a TV right now

Ah nvm then.

Sounds pretty wacky. When will it be ready?

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Originally Posted by Machine (Post 1611098)

Ah nvm then.

Sounds pretty wacky. When will it be ready?

Idk

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Originally Posted by Machine (Post 1611088)

I know you did, but it's happening either way so I thought I'd put my two sence in. Nothing on you man.

Also I guess if this is actually happening yeah we might as well go back to the thread of redundant arguments.

Urban Dictionary: sence

also, Urban Dictionary: two cents

also, this PC topic sucks.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1611097)

Besides an intellectual statement? What? Cause no matter what you put on the page, the result would be exactly the same.

It still holds bearing as a composition, just as one long note with no dynamics would be a composition. A simple one yah, but still a composition

By itself, it might not, as written composition isn't necessary to make music (f.ex. free improvisation), but when your composition is an actual lack of sound, then how have you created music?

Contraction of the sphincter is also a part of farting. If I contract my sphincter without passing any gas, am I farting?

Okay by that logic by having no silence whatsoever is also not music, seeing as without one or the other it cannot be classified as music.

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty (Post 1611096)

Oh I wasn't criticizing you I was criticizing him.

In other news I'm trying to make dance music entirely out of white noise from a TV right now

Nice.
I've made a track entirely out of samples of the sound of a needle on an empty vinyl once.
Those kinds of limitatons are fun.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1611101)

Urban Dictionary: sence

also, Urban Dictionary: two cents

also, this PC topic sucks.

**** thanks.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1611084)

Pollock's art was at least still visual. It was everything that a painting was (so far as I know), sans the "normal" act of painting. 4'33, however, has no value other than as performance art.

What exactly makes 4'33 music rather than just art?

Go trot through my 1300 arguments explaining why in this thread: http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...-what-not.html. The very basic answer is that the piece still relies on sound. It's a common misconception to refer to it as a "silent piece" since while the instruments are silent, the piece is not silent at all. Due to its sonic elements and the fact that it's intended to be music, then it is music. It has a value as performance art though, but the overarching field is music.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1611091)

I don't really care: just stop telling me I can't detect humour or sarcasm when, when applied to you, this can be literally impossible at times.

Impossible for you. I don't get some of your jokes sometimes, I don't give you an earful about it. We have different senses of humour. It happens. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1611103)

Nice.
I've made a track entirely out of samples of the sound of a needle on an empty vinyl once.
Those kinds of limitatons are fun.

I think that using actual percussion for your percussion is totally overrated. You can use ASMR videos, hail, rain, rocks, things being dropped, doors being slammed, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Machine (Post 1611102)

Okay by that logic by having no silence whatsoever is also not music, seeing as without one or the other it cannot be classified as music.

I'd think it was a pretty **** composition, but since changing the composition (making it a different note) would actually change the result, then at least the composition would have a point. No matter what you write on those pages, 4'33 is going to sound exactly the same. So, why even compose it, other than to be able to say you did (which makes the composition an intellectual, rather than a musical endeavor)?