Why Don't I Like Avant Garde?
 

I want to, but don't.

I "appreciate" the genre. I understand the wonderful creativity, the freedom, and sometimes the genius of the composer.

But the bizarre syncopations (if there are any syncopations), and-- to me-- the absence of rhythm, I cannot listen. Even Miles Davis Witches Brew and some of John Coltranes masterpieces is hard for me to listen for longer than a few minutes. It's like this :bonkhead:

By no means am I putting this genre down; I just wish I could like it more.


Why do some people like avant garde and others do not? Is it an acquired fondness?

Thanks for any feedback!

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*shrug* You tell me. Avant-garde music is a pretty big umbrella. What do you normally listen to?

I'm not even sure anything that I like qualifies as avant garde.
The Olga Bell album below might? No matter what it is, I think it's brilliant.
Avant garde is kind of a weirdly fuzzy genre term.

i'm not totally into avant garde music but when it sticks, god damn does it stick.





there's some really wild experimental hip-hop and metal i can get down with, but in the case of my jazz i need there to still be a little bit of a traditional approach for me to latch onto it.

video is not available young man

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Its trussmidaddi by Jpegmafia and Freaky. I also added a Doseone track.

I take it you mean Bitches Brew?

oh **** yeah avant-folk is the best. if there's one thing i miss about taking recs in my journal it's missing out on grindy's never ending list of awesome avant-folk acts.

doseone rules, that project is constantly growing on me. mad it's not on spotify when all of his solo stuff is though.

i'll check out the other track.

What about avant-garde avant-garde music? It just sounds like normal pop music.

My solo name comes from the track Questions Over Coffee

Everybody post whatever avant garde music willynilly

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I listened to it for the first time while walking home after a night of tripping my absolute ass off on shrooms walking home at about 3 or 4 AM, still having a colourful time. It's one of my favourite albums even though it crushed me a bit that day.

Tl;dr OP should do drugs.

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Anyone listen to Diamanda Galas?

Yes, and I've seen her perform live a couple of times.

The best studio album John Paul Jones has ever been involved in besides the first 7 Led Zep albums...

Oops.
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Ah, indeed. Thanks for the correction. OH.

THANKS for all the great replies and videos, Everyone!
I appreciate that. :beer:

I'll listen to all of them and analyze more. :hphones:

Have you checked the Them Crooked Vultures disc? Pretty damn good.

if dad rock plays in the forest and Chula isn't around to praise it, is it really dad rock?

Sorry I was born so long ago. I can't help it. I had no control of the situation. Kinda cool being a teen and experiencing all of the classics in real time instead of in jaded hindsight, like most of you snot nosed brats. :finger:

Believe it or not, this was the sh*t when I was a wee lad of 14.

I really underestimated you man, it's really impressive to have heard a band like Them Crooked Vultures decades before they existed.

Again, not taking the bait. The connection between TCV and the bands of the early 70s is obvious.

Next?

Jokes = bait

I'll get off of your lawn bro.

I remember hearing TCM at 15 and thinking that they were a blatant corporate rock band with no soul.

Thanks, Chula! That was very interesting. Well, honestly, I started to enjoy the song until they started singing. :(

I guess anything that, to me, is harsh, its just not pleasing to my ear drums...
but that is really my question:

WHY DOES ONE PERSON ENJOY CERTAIN VIBRATIONS ON THE EARDRUMS, WHILE ANOTHER SIMPLE DOES NOT. Is it mathematical, psychological. environmental, genetics?

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You're brilliant!

I don't think of it as avant garde but it's a fine place to start.

Get high. Put on your headphones. Walk at night in the woods, through the city, or ride a subway. Blast Miles Runs the Voodoo Down. If for any reason you feel inclined to turn it off turn it up instead.

Late period Coltrane is a progression. Some people might feel at home with it right away and jump in. If you don't feel like that first get to know A Love Supreme and African Brass. Late period Coltrane might not seem like it at first but it's very deeply connected to his earlier works. He keeps bending and bending and reorganizing the notes in more and more complicated patterns. Follow the path of My Favorite Things. Take your time about it. Learn the Sound of Music version. Take your time with early versions. Move at your own pace. Just that one song is decades of work. I also suggest going back to Schoenberg's early piano pieces. Take your time listening to how following composers dealt with his 12 tone ideas and how they worked with atonality through both dissonance and ambiguity. Also take note of how previously radical ideas are now mainstream. You're probably already far more connected with the avant garde than you realize.

What preceded Bitches Brew that would make not avant garde?

If you define avant garde as groundbreaking (which is reasonable) I don't have any clear cut examples. It is groundbreaking. I was defining avant garde as less accessible to the typical ear and I get your (probable) point that avant garde means on the vanguard and that applies to Bitches Brew. My gut reaction is that Bitches Brew is too immediately accessible to really be avant garde but I don't mind the correction. Definitions aside I think Bitches Brew is easier chewing than late period Coltrane and makes for a fine jumping off point. The OP mentioned the record so it seems reasonable to say start there. Especially since he expresses a willingness to expand his horizons.

Thanks, very much! You're probably correct that I am kind of connected.

I appreciate the wonderful suggestions (Gin is my strongest form of drugs so that will have to do. LOL.).

Do you find an association between avant garde people and their general personalities. I'm very positive and upbeat and have truly never felt "dark" or depressed. Sure a bit blue--when someone dies, etc--but never depressed or seriously angry. Just an even keeled grounded person.

Maybe my personality is just not AG? :confused:

Intersting.

For me, I don''t know what I don't know, so I'm loving the discussions of my MB Homies!
:beer: Thanks, guys!

Q-MAN!!

I love you!

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Drugs are important.