Classic does not = Baroque/Romantic?

Roivas · 08-09-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FatasieImpromptuPl0x

Ok, people... please stop saying that your favorite classical composer is Chopin and Bach. Their romantic and Baroque. To mix up the three would be completely terrible to the people who invented those genres, so to speak. Putting everything into the classical era is insulting to your "favorites", and giving to much credit to the Classical composers. imo

If you want to be this pedantic about things, try to figure out what Bach, Mozart, and Mahler considered their genres to be.

Don't you think that the terms baroque, classical, and romantic were invented, well, a little after the fact?

Certif1ed · 09-05-2009, 10:49 AM

I've been to college, got degrees and stuff in music yadda yadda...

Everyone in academia is aware that "Classical" strictly refers to a short period between 1750 and 1820, but everyone with very few exceptions uses "classical" as an umbrella term to describe non-folk acoustic music.

Folk music is deemed to be traditional music, passed down from generation to generation, and performed by non academically educated people. That's a huge generalisation, as classically educated musicians often enjoy performing folk music (but never seem to get it quite right for one reason or another!).

Composers have long plundered the huge reserves of folk music for inspiration to their works. They did not think in terms of genres when they wrote the music, they just wrote what would go down well with their audiences, until the Romantics came along and decided that audiences should jolly well like whatever they wrote because it's art.

Just about every musical "movement" is misleading. It's rarely a movement of people getting together and saying "Hey, dudes, let's get Baroque on everyone's ass", it's just composers wanting to get paid for their work, and jumping on bandwagons of new, popular writing styles, and someone comes along years later and says "Hey, those dudes were like really Baroque in style" and their buddies go "Yeah, dude".

Some things never change...

Nicktarist · 09-05-2009, 03:26 PM

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Just about every musical "movement" is misleading. It's rarely a movement of people getting together and saying "Hey, dudes, let's get Baroque on everyone's ass", it's just composers wanting to get paid for their work, and jumping on bandwagons of new, popular writing styles, and someone comes along years later and says "Hey, those dudes were like really Baroque in style" and their buddies go "Yeah, dude".

You wouldn't mind letting me use this in my sig. would you?

thanks,
-nick

Certif1ed · 09-07-2009, 02:55 AM

That's one long sig... and I guess every time I see a post from you I'll be reminded of some of the drivel I come out with.

Be my guest - thanks for the compliment, I think...

Anacrusis · 11-09-2009, 03:31 PM

Who cares? I'm sure that people are just generalizing different classical eras altogether.

Halebopp · 11-10-2009, 10:00 PM

As there is no Baroque and no Romantic forum...we'll just have to make do somehow...

09-05-2009, 10:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
Certif1ed Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 194	I've been to college, got degrees and stuff in music yadda yadda... Everyone in academia is aware that "Classical" strictly refers to a short period between 1750 and 1820, but everyone with very few exceptions uses "classical" as an umbrella term to describe non-folk acoustic music. Folk music is deemed to be traditional music, passed down from generation to generation, and performed by non academically educated people. That's a huge generalisation, as classically educated musicians often enjoy performing folk music (but never seem to get it quite right for one reason or another!). Composers have long plundered the huge reserves of folk music for inspiration to their works. They did not think in terms of genres when they wrote the music, they just wrote what would go down well with their audiences, until the Romantics came along and decided that audiences should jolly well like whatever they wrote because it's art. Just about every musical "movement" is misleading. It's rarely a movement of people getting together and saying "Hey, dudes, let's get Baroque on everyone's ass", it's just composers wanting to get paid for their work, and jumping on bandwagons of new, popular writing styles, and someone comes along years later and says "Hey, those dudes were like really Baroque in style" and their buddies go "Yeah, dude". Some things never change...

09-07-2009, 02:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
Certif1ed Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 194	That's one long sig... and I guess every time I see a post from you I'll be reminded of some of the drivel I come out with. Be my guest - thanks for the compliment, I think...

11-09-2009, 03:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
Anacrusis Groupie Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Windy City Posts: 13	Who cares? I'm sure that people are just generalizing different classical eras altogether.

11-10-2009, 10:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
Halebopp Groupie Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	As there is no Baroque and no Romantic forum...we'll just have to make do somehow...