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Lisnaholic 06-21-2012 09:33 PM

Fly,Fly My Sadness by Huun-Huur-Tu
 
Here`s an opportunity to discuss this extraordinary album, which recently won a FAIR album club poll:-

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Fly,Fly, My Sadness by Huun-Huur-Tu (1996)

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/534353.jpg

This starkly beautiful album is not for the faint-hearted. Uplifting and uncompromising, you have to hear it to believe it.
So, does anyone have an opinion about the various people who have contributed to this album ?
Have you heard anything like it before ?
Do you know any of Huun-Huur-Tu`s other albums ?

RoemerMW 06-21-2012 09:52 PM

This is the only throat singing album I've heard and I absolutely loved it. I've been meaning to check out some other albums by these guys but I've never gotten around to it. It's been a while since I've listened to this, I'll probably play it again tonight.

Frownland 06-22-2012 06:53 PM

I know that it's a fantastic album, which is why I selected the excellent option on the poll, but I'm going to give it another listen before I begin to discuss it.

Lisnaholic 06-23-2012 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RoemerMW (Post 1202171)
... I'll probably play it again tonight.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1202396)
... but I'm going to give it another listen before I begin to discuss it.

:laughing: Well, that makes three of us, as I also need to spend more time with this album. Every time I put it on, it carries me away to a very non-analytical place and I don`t have an idea in my head about what I`ve just heard !

Stephen 06-23-2012 07:40 AM

For me it was such a pleasure to hear an album so utterly alien. The combination of the Tuvan throat singing and Bulgarian Women's Choir creates such a unique musical experience. While there was scant information that I could find on the recording, credit apparently goes to Mikhail Alperin. Ukrainian born and currently a professor of music in Norway he formed the Moscow Art Trio while living in Moscow as a traditional folk inspired jazz trio. He wrote or arranged all the songs on Fly, Fly My Sadness. Those he arranged were traditional songs.

I thought the second track Legend was an absolute stand out. Beginning with the amazing bass chant and then the contrast with the women's choir and finally the lone reed (harmonium?). Brilliant.

With tracks ranging from mournful to wonderfully cacophonous I absolutely loved this album and it gets an excellent from me.

Lisnaholic 06-23-2012 06:58 PM

Thanks for tracking down some info about the album, stp. I also knew nothing about these guys, fell in love with the sound and was struck by how alien the music sounded. It`s like church music from another galaxy.
The only issue I might raise with you is your choice of stand-out track; I think my vote might go to the last one; the 10-minute Mountain Story.

BTW, I have just aquired this album:-

http://www.link-kultuurburo.be/artis...ur_tu/cd-2.jpg

As the cover suggests, it`s a more modest affair, without the female choir, and the stringed instruments give it a warmer, more down-to-earth feel, but it still sounds quite exceptional.

Janszoon 06-23-2012 07:01 PM

Alright, Lisnaholic, your comment to me in the recommendation thread has piqued my interest. I just got a hold of this album and am looking forward to giving it a spin. :)

Lisnaholic 06-23-2012 07:21 PM

That`s good ! I don`t think you`ll be disappointed, but if you are you`ll end up in some kind of flame war with everyone who has posted here so far !

Janszoon 06-23-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1202694)
That`s good ! I don`t think you`ll be disappointed, but if you are you`ll end up in some kind of flame war with everyone who has posted here so far !

:laughing:

Stephen 06-24-2012 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1202694)
That`s good ! I don`t think you`ll be disappointed, but if you are you`ll end up in some kind of flame war with everyone who has posted here so far !

LOL. Can't be any worse than my wife who told me to "Turn that **** off". Obviously enlightenment is very subjective :).

Stephen 06-24-2012 07:46 PM

I came across these notes from Mikhail Alperin explaining what he was trying to achieve.

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Originally Posted by Mikhail Alperin

The story of this project has its own tiny prelude, to my mind a rather mysterious one, which I would like to share: Some time (Roughly?) about a year ago, I developed some kind of vision of a family where the father would be from Tuva, the mother Bulgarian, the daughter a Russian, and the son Jewish. The very idea might have been nothing more than a funny whim, but then, all of a sudden, I pictured this family as a musical one, not consisting of professional musicians, but a family where ... Then I didn't get any further with my vision. Instead, I started collecting musical material and writing scores for some non-existing future project. These, then, would be the ingredients of the salad to come: The Bulgarian Women's Choir - "the mother", overtone singers from Tuva - "the father", The Moscow Art Trio, with the Russian soul of Sergei Starostin and my own Jewish melancholy, plus a blues singer of some category or other - the children of the peoples of the world. Luckily, at the time I wasn't about to think of it as a concrete, pre-programmed plan. I was just playing with the idea. That family, however, started to live its own more specific life, even if only on paper. Having spent a week writing out some of the compositions I realized that all of this was just a dream and as dreams have a tendency to dissolve and create disillusion I figured I would have to come to terms with that. In my embittered mind, dream and reality seemed to collide head on, until one day the producer, Uli Balss, of JARO, Germany, phoned me unexpectedly to suggest that we work on two disks with my Moscow Art Trio and subsequently the "Bulgarian-Tuvan project" of which we had been dreaming, not he, strange as it may seem. Needless to say, I immediately hurled myself at the task. Some dreams do come true. But in any family problems arose, and some specific ones did show up in "mine". During recording sessions for my disk, Prayer (with members of a Russian folklore choir - JARO 4193-2) one of the Russian female singers suddenly stopped singing and left the studio as a sign of protest against what she held to be a too radical treatment of folkloristic material. Thus, I knew from that experience that the Bulgarian-Tuvan project would require lengthy and emotionally demanding explanations on the phone of concepts unfamiliar to the various participants. And even when the choir finally got their scores, work wasn't necessarily made easier. Unexplored musical ideas kept knocking especially forcefully on the door of the "mothers", who generally tend to prefer what is familiar. The "fathers" in far-away Tuva smoked their tobacco and sipped their vodka, shaking their heads in astonished patience, whereas their Russian "son", following his people's tradition, preferred not to brood too much about the future. Now, a few words about the project itself - about the music you'll hear on this disk. For a long time I had been studying the common denominator of meditative structures in various folkloristic forms of expression, for instance the Russian tradition of lengthy songs with their characteristically brooding melancholy. Actually, a similar mood might be found in Tuvan songs of the steppe, and is also reflected in the musical landscape of folk songs from the Radopi region in Bulgaria, as well as in many Jewish songs, filled as they are with that very same stillness and affection. That's why, in the beginning, I named the project "Meditation" as a working title - in an attempt to stay away from any "modernization" of folk song themes, but instead unite different folkloristic sources in the vision of a bird's flight.

Should I try to capture in words the essence of what I have tried to do here, I would do so in terms of a small scene that got stuck in my mind: I remember an elderly couple dressed in black on a small island in Greece. They were looking out across the sea, into the distance, motionless, and time stood still. I liked the way our experiment ended. During rehearsals, singers who had never seen each other before and were at first glance utterly remote from each other as far as cultural roots are concerned, began suddenly and spontaneously to perform their forefathers' songs for their "alien" colleagues, as though discovering this possibility for themselves right then and there. Each began to pick up intonations, modes, and moods of songs stemming from seemingly infinitely distant areas. The family were coming together, getting to know each other as though after centuries of separation. That in itself was enough for me to be satisfied with the final product.

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Janszoon 06-27-2012 05:47 AM

Wow, I am really enjoying this album. Well, maybe "enjoying" isn't the right word. In fact it's much too small of a word. The music on Fly, Fly My Sadness is so vast and elemental that I have a hard time imagining it being written and performed by human beings. This music sounds pre-human, ancient, all-encompasing, almost as if you are hearing the inner workings of the forces that drive all creation and destruction on Earth. It's so stark and pure and massive that listening to it is almost a scary experience, like looking into the chasm of your own mortality. Each time I've listened I've been left with the impression that it is perfect funeral music, the sound of the mountains and oceans simply existing, uncaring and unaware of our brief flashes of life on the skin of this planet. It many ways the feelings evoked by these songs are painful and depressing but it's also a beautiful experience, a reconciliation of a quieting mind with the way things are.

Thanks for the heads up about this thread, Lisnaholic. I've already tracked down one other Huun-Huur-Tu album, which is also excellent, and this has kind of rekindled my interest in other Asian folk and classical music as well. :)

CanwllCorfe 06-27-2012 09:59 PM

Definitely gonna check this album out! I happened upon throat singing a few months back, and was really fascinated by it. I was taken especially by how deep some of them can get (I'm assuming it's a different style altogether). It's almost eerie!


Lisnaholic 07-01-2012 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stp (Post 1203008)
I came across these notes from Mikhail Alperin explaining what he was trying to achieve.

^ Very interesting information about how this album was conceived; who would think that a dream about a multi-racial family could generate something so beautiful. I thought the bit about a Russian singer walking out during the recording of "Prayer" was amusing. I presume your wife would`ve walked out as well, stp.:) Either way, I wonder what that album sounds like ?
The conclusion of MA`s notes was a nice touch : all those musicians gathered together, spontaneously sharing their different heritages must`ve been wonderful to see. I hope someone had a tape recorder running ....

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1203853)
Wow, I am really enjoying this album. Well, maybe "enjoying" isn't the right word. In fact it's much too small of a word. The music on Fly, Fly My Sadness is so vast and elemental that I have a hard time imagining it being written and performed by human beings. This music sounds pre-human, ancient, all-encompasing, almost as if you are hearing the inner workings of the forces that drive all creation and destruction on Earth. It's so stark and pure and massive that listening to it is almost a scary experience, like looking into the chasm of your own mortality. Each time I've listened I've been left with the impression that it is perfect funeral music, the sound of the mountains and oceans simply existing, uncaring and unaware of our brief flashes of life on the skin of this planet. It many ways the feelings evoked by these songs are painful and depressing but it's also a beautiful experience, a reconciliation of a quieting mind with the way things are.

Thanks for the heads up about this thread, Lisnaholic. I've already tracked down one other Huun-Huur-Tu album, which is also excellent, and this has kind of rekindled my interest in other Asian folk and classical music as well. :)

That`s a great description of the effect this music can have, Janszoon ! You pinpointed something that was way down in the back of my mind when you talked "the chasm of your own mortality" ; mixed in with the beauty,there is something chilling about this music too.
BTW, I`m sure I`m not the only one who would like to hear more about that other Huun-Huur-Tu album you found.

Janszoon 07-06-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1205057)
BTW, I`m sure I`m not the only one who would like to hear more about that other Huun-Huur-Tu album you found.

It was Altai Sayan Tandy-Uula. Very good album. Different though. It definitely has a folkier, more simple sound. Since then, I've actually gotten a hold of several of their albums, all of them very good. :)

Stephen 07-16-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stp (Post 1202502)
I thought the second track Legend was an absolute stand out. Beginning with the amazing bass chant and then the contrast with the women's choir and finally the lone reed (harmonium?). Brilliant.

I had the right instrument in mind but it's not called a harmonium. It's a melodica and according to these notes it's played by Mikhail Alperin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...x-Melodica.jpg


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