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sleepy jack 11-11-2007 10:12 PM

Music, the Devil, Causes Shooting Blah Blah Blah
 
Metal News - Sturmgeist Comments On Finnish School Shooting ( Metal Underground . com )

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Sturmgeist's Cornelius von Jackhelln has issued a statement on the recent high school shooting in Finland:

"Today an 18-year old man shot seven people in a high school massacre in Tuusula, Finland. The killer referred to himself as "Sturmgeist89" on YouTube. Sturmgeist is not only the name of my band, but also of a character in the video game "Medal of Honor". As of yet, it is not established wherefrom the murderer took the name. Understandably, journalists keep calling me, eager to prove a link between my band and the massacre. However, as an artist, I can neither control the actions of my fans nor be held responsible for them."

"It is my firm conviction that if somebody wishes to go down as the cause of a massacre like that in Tuusula, explanations beyond music must be sought. In an interview with the Oslo-based newspaper Dagbladet today I argue that although extreme metal as a genre deals with topics such as isolation, misanthropy and despair, blaming the musicians is both wrong and unfair. It is people that kill people. Not music."

"Extreme metal has a potential both for social comment and personal katharsis, given its dealing with problems ordinarily shunned by mainstream society: suicide, madness, pollution, violence, warfare and drug abuse all occur regularly in extreme metal lyrics, mostly subject to critical scrutiny."

"I do recall how lonely and isolated I felt as a teenager, how strong an impact music had on my life. Extreme metal helped me channel my aggression in a constructive way; where Slayer's album "Seasons in the Abyss" described the psychology of a mass murderer, Cannibal Corpse's "The Bleeding" gave graphic accounts of extreme violence. Even though I adored both albums, I did not go out and kill people."

"Knowing the boundary between fiction and reality was always a prerequisite for dealing with dark matters in music, literature, film and video games. It seems obvious that the Tuusula murderer was ignorant about this boundary."

"The lyrics of Sturmgeist do contain topics both sinister and martial. Topics such as WWI & WWII ("Triumph", "Enigma"), the war in Iraq ("Shock & Awe", "Iron Hammer"), Viking battle ("Army of Odin"), a victim exerting revenge on his tormentor ("Ruger"). I readily admit it. Saying anything else would not only be a blatant lie; worse, it would be betraying the music I love and believe in."

"I am most shocked by the tragic event in Finland, and mourn the victims of the crime. I believe that the victims could have been alive today, if youngsters on the edge were given more attention by the proper instances. I extend my compassion and my condolences to the families of the deceased."

The Dave 11-11-2007 10:28 PM

The hell is Extreme Metal??

sleepy jack 11-11-2007 10:29 PM


The Dave 11-11-2007 10:35 PM

Scrubs sure does have a way of explaining things.

Wayfarer 11-12-2007 12:59 AM

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suicide, madness, pollution, violence, warfare and drug abuse all occur regularly in extreme metal lyrics
What, do they think extreme metal bands made suicide and warfare up? It's a fuckin' reflection of what's going on in the world around us.

...wait, what the hell? Pollution? I haven't heard that black metal song yet. Did Marduk cover the Captain Planet theme?

Urban Hat€monger ? 11-12-2007 11:02 AM

At yet if he went into the military & shot 7 people he'd be considered a hero.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 11-12-2007 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dave (Post 413612)
The hell is Extreme Metal??

This is a shot in the dark, but I'm guessing any genre of metal influenced by thrash and hardcore punk, more distortion int he guitars, harsh vocals, faster drum playing (blast beats, gravity beats, etc.).

I think people end up blaming things like this on music and other things because they don't understand, and it's kind of their way of coping with their lack of understanding.

"Why did he kill all those people?" "He listens to death metal." Easy, right?

boo boo 11-12-2007 02:55 PM

Music, TV and video games are always the ultimate scapegoats in these kinda things.

right-track 11-12-2007 03:01 PM

I blame Wagner for WW2.

The Dave 11-12-2007 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 (Post 413730)
This is a shot in the dark, but I'm guessing any genre of metal influenced by thrash and hardcore punk, more distortion int he guitars, harsh vocals, faster drum playing (blast beats, gravity beats, etc.).

They need to get a better name.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 11-12-2007 03:10 PM

I'm fairly sure extreme metal is just an umbrella term for grindcore, goregrind, death metal, black metal, etc

Inuzuka Skysword 11-12-2007 07:46 PM

Really it is any type of metal that has harsh vocals. Doom Metal is not influenced by Hardcore punk nor thrash yet it is extreme metal.

And anyone who blames music for killings should be kicked off of the face of the planet. If anything it is the human mind interpreting the LYRICS (not music) in a way, which can influence somebody to kill somebody. You want to blame something for a killing. Blame the killer who actually killed the person. It annoys me these days how crimes are let go because of mental illness.

cardboard adolescent 11-12-2007 07:52 PM

dude what's that song in the scrubs episode.. that was the ****

sleepy jack 11-12-2007 07:55 PM

DevilDriver "Devil's Son"

cardboard adolescent 11-12-2007 08:03 PM

ah yes... i seem to remember coming across them in my nu-metal phase

mr. goth glam 11-12-2007 09:52 PM

Those crazy Fins.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 11-12-2007 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dave (Post 413765)
They need to get a better name.

Well, if we don't name it, others will, and believe me, you don't want some Japanese guy naming it "Fighter Alpha Metal Z." NO ONE WANTS THAT!

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 11-12-2007 11:40 PM

that'd be dope.

Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 11-16-2007 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Starving-Artless (Post 413927)
that'd be dope.

If "dope" is also slang for "***," then yes, it'd be VERY very dope.

The Dave 11-16-2007 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Voice_of_the_Soul12,13,01 (Post 413926)
Well, if we don't name it, others will, and believe me, you don't want some Japanese guy naming it "Fighter Alpha Metal Z." NO ONE WANTS THAT!

I'm chill with that.

Pillowmint 10-11-2008 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. goth glam (Post 413888)
Those crazy Fins.

its spelled "Finns"

Fyrenza 10-11-2008 11:40 AM

IMHO

its more the fact that it all --
gory movies
grisly games
suggestive music

desensitizes us to the violence
(and i agree with this)

making it easier for us to lose control
(i disagree with this)

and once we've lost control, to take the violence further than necessary
and further than what used to be know as 'common decency' would allow
'common decency' being the point at which we horrify ourselves with our outburst


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