This issue is a bit close to me actually. I don't think a child should be punished by the school for an unrelated act. The school is an educational facility and the instant the school acts as an agent outside of the intended purpose I have an issue. Having gone through a school system I viewed as corrupt early in life I was more than glad to be home schooled and when I have children they too will be home schooled.

The reason the court tries to find motive is to understand the kind of thinking behind it. The difference between first degree, second degree, and manslaughter aren't motive; but "mode of thought". How premeditated and planned it was.

Reforming evil can be tricky.

I find that this is largely a social difference between America and other countries. You can usually tell an American on the internet by how much he prides his right to be a vitriol spitting assbag. I know I view it as a wonderful thing.

The line in free speech is drawn where measurable harm is done. If it creates a financial loss its illegal. That's how it should be. Stop being a bunch of pussies and accept that some people are hateful and have just as much right to expressing their ideas as you do.

.....there's has never been total freedom of speech.If you guys weren't "a bunch of pussies" like us then why do you guys have frivolous "libel" suits just like us. Why was there mcarthyism and the PMRC? Why does the fcc threaten to revoke broadcasting licences for using dirty language? Why do you have local communities banning certain books. Why can't you show full frontal nudity(even in a non-sexual way) in prime time when most western european regularly do.

Hate speech is equivalant to libel, sometimes it's warranted and sometimes it's just for bleeding hearts. I wouldn't be able to send out a pamphlets saying "I'm going rape your mother", and I think that's akin to the damage caused by a lot of "hate speech".

...anyways you can argue that "hate speech" is an infringment on free speech, but don't argue that americans have any more liberty to express there opinions when that's a complete falsehood.

How are these even remotely comparable? If I said "I believe negroids are mentally inferior due to genetic differences." it in no way threatens black people. You might be able to make a case if you could prove that the claim caused quantifiable harm such as fiscal damages, loss of job, etc. but that would not only be hard to prove but would also require no further "hate" charge since the person in question would already be paying back the losses.

Immigration

Then he would still be charged with murder.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic there. The "logical reason" he was stating was being a douchbag. I can somewhat understand you not seeing the sarcasm but I tend to see a lot of humor in Boo's posts so I tend to spot it.

Oh, I see. No to committing them, plus how would you know their intentions?

If they're a member of a white supremacist group (British National Party, Ku Klux Klan, etc.) and killed a black guy it's pretty obvious why they did it. If they're a known Neo-Nazi and killed a Jew it's pretty obvious why they did it. If they're Jimmy Page and he killed someone with talent it's pretty obvious why he did it.

Hehe, that would be friggin hilarious if I wasn't a Led Zep fan.

It depends what the punishment is. I think people should definitely get more jail time for certain crimes. The other day I was reading a newspaper article about this guy who raped 3 teenage girls (under 18) and 2 children (under 13) at knifepoint and he only got 9 years. It made me sick.