I am an uneducated American who supports the war for no good reason (covers, shows)

Predator · 04-20-2008, 10:16 PM

If this had been quick and easy, the country would not be as opposed as they are now. To bad MOUT isn't quick or easy. Read toward the end of the article I posted last and you can gain a better understanding of an expected time line.
Most people who oppose the war are not disrespecting the troops. However, I have seen protests in Portland with stuffed soldiers being beaten. I have seen protests saying that soldiers are murderers. Every time a soldier sees a sign saying they are wrong, their morale lowers.

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I am not saying that opposing the war means that you oppose the the troops. It is a matter of how you choose to show your opposition to the war. Of course, if you choose to oppose the troops, that is also your choice.

boo boo · 04-20-2008, 11:25 PM

I support our troops, and I think now we should support them by getting them the hell out of Iraq.

sleepy jack · 04-21-2008, 04:58 PM

Okay re-opened.

Predator · 04-21-2008, 07:07 PM

I wish I was a fat fucktard with nothing better to do than stalk and spam a music forum. Ruining a perfectly good debate with general jackassness. Go do something productive like shoving a fork in your eye.

boo boo · 04-21-2008, 07:52 PM

Man. This guy was relentless.

Zombeels · 04-21-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Yeah, I guess outright f*cking admitting to doing it is not enough for some people.

I mean you could say that since radical Islamists celebrated 9/11 Bin Ladin just wanted to take credit for it, but thats just too damn stupid to believe. Thats practically begging someone to come after you even though you didn't do anything.

You're not one of those 9/11 Truth dopes are you?

Everything I stated was the truth.

FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"

Even the FBI page doesn't list the attacksof 911
Most Wanted Terrorist - Usama Bin Laden

Predator · 04-21-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombeels

Everything I stated was the truth.

FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"

Even the FBI page doesn't list the attacksof 911
Most Wanted Terrorist - Usama Bin Laden

I'm sorry to continue beating a dead horse about citations, but I really can't let it go. I've spent to much of my time reading and writing research papers to simply ignore the fact that citations in to many articles are either worthless or completely missing. Citing your references is what draws the line between opinion and reputable information. If someone writes an article and isn't willing to provide the reader with information to confirm their statements, it may as well be listed as an opinion piece. I've seen articles with no references, some with references that do not support the opinion in the article and even articles about articles citing the article in question as the only reference when that one has no references.
I'd just like to ask that when posting links to articles to back up your statements, can we at least make sure they are reputable sources and not simply someone else that supports your opinion?

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Adding information from another opinion piece found in the Washington Post.

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"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."

Here is a link to the entire article. Its pretty much the flipside to your link.

Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?

Zombeels · 04-22-2008, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Predator

I'm sorry to continue beating a dead horse about citations, but I really can't let it go. I've spent to much of my time reading and writing research papers to simply ignore the fact that citations in to many articles are either worthless or completely missing. Citing your references is what draws the line between opinion and reputable information. If someone writes an article and isn't willing to provide the reader with information to confirm their statements, it may as well be listed as an opinion piece. I've seen articles with no references, some with references that do not support the opinion in the article and even articles about articles citing the article in question as the only reference when that one has no references.
I'd just like to ask that when posting links to articles to back up your statements, can we at least make sure they are reputable sources and not simply someone else that supports your opinion?

EDIT:

Adding information from another opinion piece found in the Washington Post.

Here is a link to the entire article. Its pretty much the flipside to your link.

Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?

My piece does have citations. The person who wrote the piece talked to the FBI investigator himself and even quoted him. I'm pretty sure the piece would have been deleted by now if the FBI spokesman knew he was quoted in an article and he did not say those things. Things like:

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“The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Yes everything that Paul Sheridan says is opinion and speculation but what is quoted is fact.

Predator · 04-22-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zombeels

My piece does have citations. The person who wrote the piece talked to the FBI investigator himself and even quoted him. I'm pretty sure the piece would have been deleted by now if the FBI spokesman knew he was quoted in an article and he did not say those things. Things like:

The citations in your last posted article are a link to Bin Ladens most wanted poster, and 3 news articles talking about the video in question. These things do not even support the point he wants to make.
Perhaps the FBI spokesman said those things, along with other information. It is pretty easy to take a few blurbs and make it appear to say what you want. Did you realize that the quote I posted was from the same source?

Here it is again.

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"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."

~~The Unfan~~ · 04-22-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator

It is pretty easy to take a few blurbs and make it appear to say what you want. Did you realize that the quote I posted was from the same source?

This works both ways. You'd need to find a non-bias way to string together the line of thought in said quotes to make any progress on this point.

However, I do find it interesting that he said "There is a logic to it." and then doesn't really expand on that much. That logic could be pretty much anything.

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Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	If this had been quick and easy, the country would not be as opposed as they are now. To bad MOUT isn't quick or easy. Read toward the end of the article I posted last and you can gain a better understanding of an expected time line. Most people who oppose the war are not disrespecting the troops. However, I have seen protests in Portland with stuffed soldiers being beaten. I have seen protests saying that soldiers are murderers. Every time a soldier sees a sign saying they are wrong, their morale lowers. EDIT: I am not saying that opposing the war means that you oppose the the troops. It is a matter of how you choose to show your opposition to the war. Of course, if you choose to oppose the troops, that is also your choice. __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Last edited by Predator; 04-20-2008 at 10:39 PM.

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Predator Whatever Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 344	I wish I was a fat fucktard with nothing better to do than stalk and spam a music forum. Ruining a perfectly good debate with general jackassness. Go do something productive like shoving a fork in your eye. __________________ Jack be nimble Jack be quick I be a lunatic The answer is hidden in plain view. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]