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sleepy jack 04-13-2008 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469312)
I want someone to say why America didn't help my lovely green country when everyone was getting bombed?

Because America doesn't care about helping countries it cares about what they can get out of getting involved under the pretense of helping.

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-13-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469312)
I want someone to say why America didn't help my lovely green country when everyone was getting bombed?

It did help , it was helping arm the IRA

Predator 04-13-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy (Post 469275)
Exactly, who declares war on a country to liberate them?

Well, Korea for example was invaded to liberate from communism. In the end the country was split in half and the communist north was forced out of the south.
You could also consider the invasions of Nazi occupied countries. All were invaded to liberate from Nazi rule.
Kuwait was invaded to liberate from Iraq.
Iraq was invaded to liberate from their own government. The Baath party did forcefully overtake Iraq.

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Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469277)
I know whats going on in Iraq is much worse, but there was terrorist attacks on N.Ireland for almost 40 years and America didn't give a ****.

I can't really answer this. I remember asking my dad about it when I was a kid. His only explanation was that Ireland is a part of one of our allies and we could not take action without the request of the U.K. He said that in a perfect world we would be able to help.

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 469280)
A war on terror makes no sense. Terror is a strategy, and you can't really fight a war against a strategy. It'd be like declaring a war on blitzkrieg.

Terrorism adapts to the enemy. If you look at the actions of the terrorists in Iraq you can see the changes over the course of the war. Terrorism is psychological warfare. Scare them in to doing what you want. If you give in, they take more. If you take a stand, they change until they find something that makes you give in. They will eventually fail to gain more members thus losing the war. Giving in will give the impression that they are winning thus making it seem like a good idea to join them. The collateral damage caused by terror attacks on U.S. troops has gotten to the point that more Iraqi's are taking our side again. From the beginning we had major Iraqi support. Some began to join the terrorist side thinking that the collateral damage was caused by the occupation. As time went on the tide has again turned further in our favor. You can fight terrorism by not backing down from it.

Predator 04-13-2008 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469317)
Because America doesn't care about helping countries it cares about what they can get out of getting involved under the pretense of helping.

What exactly are we gaining Iraq aside from an ally?
Why wouldn't we be able to gain access to the offshore oil by helping Ireland?

The Unfan 04-13-2008 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 469432)
You can fight terrorism by not backing down from it.

But you're not really fighting the strategy, you're fighting the people who use it by using a strategy that discourages theirs.

bruise_violet 04-13-2008 07:20 PM

I'm glad America didn't help, we would probably be 'owned' by them if they did.

Or, heaven forbid, give Americans an ever more outrageous excuse to celebrate St. Patricks day...

Predator 04-13-2008 07:27 PM

The war on terror is against all who use terrorism to gain what they want. There are many groups that use terror tactics. The war on terror is a blanket term to describe the intent to eradicate the use of terror tactics.

Back to the subject that I started this for. Did anyone really bother to read my first post? I know it was long, but I am not attempting to prove anyone wrong with my reason for supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. I simply want people to remember and understand what happened that day.

sleepy jack 04-13-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 469438)
What exactly are we gaining Iraq aside from an ally?

Their natural resources, America did it with Mexico with cotton in the 1850s same concept here. America isn't as righteous as they advertise, it's just a facade for their imperialistic bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 469438)
Why wouldn't we be able to gain access to the offshore oil by helping Ireland?

Um, how much oil is there in Ireland?

Predator 04-13-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bruise_violet (Post 469442)
I'm glad America didn't help, we would probably be 'owned' by them if they did.

Or, heaven forbid, give Americans an ever more outrageous excuse to celebrate St. Patricks day...

Just like Korea, occupation of Iraq will be necessary until they can defend themselves. The same would apply to Ireland. Is sucks but it is true.

I have a pretty good reason to celebrate St. Patricks day. Its my birthday.

Predator 04-13-2008 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 469456)
Their natural resources, America did it with Mexico with cotton in the 1850s same concept here. America isn't as righteous as they advertise, it's just a facade for their imperialistic bullshit.



Um, how much oil is there in Ireland?

Quite a bit offshore. Ever heard of BP?

It would make more sense to go after Canada or Saudi Arabia or Mexico.... any of the top 6 countries we import from before going after number 7. On top of that the oil we buy from Iraq is purchased at the same price as as what we get elsewhere.


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