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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1953987)

Refixed that for you since Lisna got it twisted.

^ TBperfectlyH, I think you should consider re-refixing it. I changed it to read "the express purpose of bombing pre-selected military targets" after checking Wikipedia:-

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.... and joined Operation Rolling Thunder, the 1965–1968 air interdiction and strategic bombing campaign against North Vietnam.[83][84] The alpha strikes flown from Forrestal were against specific, pre-selected targets such as arms depots, factories, and bridges.[83]

^ That right there is literally the express purpose, complete with the citations that wiki so loves. Show me the military order that says "murdering citizens" and I'll concede that you're right.

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1953969)

France banned guns and a man just fired an AK-47 into a crowd. Gun laws don't work.

^ Actually, [MERIT], as a general rule they do work, but obviously they don't eliminate the problem completely. You might as well expect that there'll never ever be another drunk-driving accident because of the drunk-driving laws.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1954018)

^ TBperfectlyH, I think you should consider re-refixing it. I changed it to read "the express purpose of bombing pre-selected military targets" after checking Wikipedia:-

^ That right there is literally the express purpose, complete with the citations that wiki so loves. Show me the military order that says "murdering citizens" and I'll concede that you're right.

Did citizens of Vietnam die in those targeted attacks?

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Show me the military order that says "murdering citizens" and I'll concede that you're right.

A picture is worth 1000 words

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1954022)

Did citizens of Vietnam die in those targeted attacks?

^ Yes, sadly, I'm sure they did, but that doesn't make it the "express purpose", according to my understanding of that phrase.

EDIT: Yeah, of course, the My Lai massacre was horrific. Why are you posting emotive pictures that involved neither John McCain nor bombing raids, afaik ? Have we moved on to a general-horrors-of-war debate?

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1954026)

^ Yes, sadly, I'm sure they did, but that doesn't make it the "express purpose", according to my understanding of the phrase.

Maybe you should go dig up the corpses and see if they give a f uck?

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1954026)

EDIT: Yeah, of course, the My Lai massacre was horrific. Why are you posting emotive pictures that involved neither John McCain nor bombing raids, afaik ? Have we moved on to a general-horrors-of-war debate?

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tl7SD6irp...02311434_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1954026)

^ Yes, sadly, I'm sure they did, but that doesn't make it the "express purpose", according to my understanding of that phrase.

Strategic attacks aimed to weaken Vietnam's military=making the Vietnamese easier to kill/sending the message that supporting the Viet Cong is worthy of death

Would the attacks be meaningful if they had no casualties?

People actually died

Bonus question: would John McCain have complied with the draft if the public opinion was that it inherently made him a war criminal?

Hint: the answer is yes. That's why Johnny boy is worth decrying.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1954027)

Maybe you should go dig up the corpses and see if they give a f uck?

^ Well of course they don't, but arguing about correct use of language is par for the course on MB. I'm calling out Frownland's post as being inaccurate. Photos from My Lai and talk of corpses doesn't alter that inaccuracy.

Also, my original point is failing to understand Anteater's comment about Trump.

I'm not fetishizing soldiers, or endorsing America's involvement in Vietnam or suggesting that civilian deaths are ok. I'm just suggesting that Trump should show some respect for a US soldier who has endured five horrific years of a kind that Trump can prob not imagine.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1952356)

Trump is right about McCain though.

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1952484)

Trump on McCain:-

It doesn't matter when or where the fighting is, there is one common theme among soldiers returning from war and that is that the civilian population have no idea what a soldier in battle really goes through. Most civilians accept this and give due respect to war vets.
Not so civilian Trump who says of John McCain, " He's not a war hero.....he's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, ok?" In one assinine sentence Trump belittles McCain's courage during years of imprisonment and torture. Also, by implication, he belittles every soldier who had the misfortune to become a POW by implying that being captured is the fault of the individual soldier. Anyone with a passing knowledge of military history knows that this is not necessarily the case. The problema is that Trump has all the intuition about war of a ten-year-old watching a movie,bouncing up and down in his seat shouting bam-bam. This is borne out by his comments about the security guard who failed to go into the Parkland school: "I don't know, but if it was me, I think I would've gone in..." Dream on, you pathetic draft-dodging coward.

Me on Anteater:- :confused:

Why do you think it's important for people to show respect to people they don't respect? I think that's a terrible way to live.

Fuck social conformity without good reason.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1953983)

OK. My bad. You happy now?

We owned it, we governed it, we pretty much controlled its economy. How do to you think Pearl Harbor got there in the first place.

Plus, Spam.

Yes, we owned it and governed it. It was like what Guam is now: not a state.