Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2002023)

people vote against their own self interests all the time

the major divide between Democrats and Republicans is on principles and culture not really taxes and jobs

Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 2002022)

Well, I kinda have two political philosophies which compete for my mind. I got the side that wants to believe in something that's the socialist side and sides with the working class and hopes that education on civics might actually make a difference. This I side with to preserve my sanity basically.

Then in my heart of hearts I believe nothing particularly good about humanity besides our propensity for being good with tools. I think humans are cretins who aren't far enough from a history of swinging from trees and flinging their poo to be trusted with running a global civilization of 7 billion people.

I can't truly commit to either philosophy because I can't be nihilistic enough to commit to the latter because it's an "existential dead end" (to quote OH) and I can't be bright and shiny enough to believe in the former. I get the feeling that this isn't at all an uncommon approach tbh but most people feel the need to side with optimism.

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2002030)

dunno about this

for example, do anti-choice voters have a self-interest?

Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2002036)

not really a vote on self-interest if it's on religious grounds, they think they're protecting babies yo

Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2002037)

Not the human race. Black people. They think abortion is, in some ways, eugenics.