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OccultHawk 01-26-2019 07:44 PM

lulzzzz back at you No one gives a **** if he declares an emergency because it’ll get struck down in the courts because it’s not an emergency.

The Batlord 01-26-2019 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2038081)
This explains why you’re so slow to condemn those that mutilate them.

Perhaps for your next brave moral stand you'll denounce Ted Bundy.

Anteater 01-26-2019 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2038085)
lulzzzz back at you No one gives a **** if he declares an emergency because it’ll get struck down in the courts because it’s not an emergency.

And yet he ultimately got both his travel bans and transgender bans upheld despite all the naysayers in multiple courts. You really think he can't pull it off?

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2038086)
China bent the knee?

Yep. And they're going to have a make a deal or watch their economy drop faster than a brick in the Atlantic.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46997489

OccultHawk 01-26-2019 08:07 PM

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And yet he ultimately got both his travel bans and transgender bans upheld despite all the naysayers in multiple courts. You really think he can't pull it off?
There will never be a border wall like trump campaigned on. I’ll bet my life. I’ll bet you the wall doesn’t exist at the end of his administration. The loser has to kill himself. Deal?

Cuthbert 01-26-2019 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2038074)
I hesitate to speak for batty but nobody was for torturing women here

what's noticed is how everyone of fluff's stories is "minority does bad thing" or "racism is a hoax"

Let's have a look then shall we?

Last five articles before this:

https://www.musicbanter.com/2037114-post17692.html

https://www.musicbanter.com/2036489-post17659.html

https://www.musicbanter.com/2032788-post17293.html

https://www.musicbanter.com/2029088-post17028.html

https://www.musicbanter.com/2018535-post16381.html

"Every one".

Liar.

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I'm not suggesting anything
Good.

Anteater 01-26-2019 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2038092)
this article concludes that the US is under the same pressure to make a deal but, "Whoever blinks first could also be the biggest loser."

China's economy is not as strong as the US, but our stocks have been plummeting as of December last year

I'm just not seeing where they bent the knee

You have a short memory. China have hacked us before (see: 2008 election) and kicked previous administrations around with hardly any blowback. They've made massive strides in Africa during Obama's tenure in particular. Trump is the first POTUS who has pushed them into an uncomfortable enough place where they actually want to come to the table with a deal.


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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2038093)
There will never be a border wall like trump campaigned on. I’ll bet my life. I’ll bet you the wall doesn’t exist at the end of his administration. The loser has to kill himself. Deal?

No deal. I want some bagels and caviar.

Lisnaholic 01-26-2019 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2038084)
Lulz. He's doing exactly what he preached in The Art Of The Deal: push the other party to the brink and see what they do.

^ That's a strange way to look at things, and ignores the fact that he was also pushing himself, the luckless Fed workers, the American public and the Republicans to the brink as well. He folded when confronted by the resounding rejection of his cause from all sides, even down to that loathsome Trump acolyte, Mitch McConnell.

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Ideally that's enough to get a deal, but when it isn't you just switch tactics.
^ Or to paraphrase, if you waste a month promoting something that fails spectacularly, try something else. Personally I wouldn't agrandise that approach as being some tactic in the art of the deal.

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On another note, the shutdown actually ended up costing more money overall than what Trump asked for. So that's on Pelosi and the rest of the donkeys.
^ Actually, Trump has already declared himself proud to own the shutdown. Everybody, from Pence on down had made a bi-partisan agreement that would've avoided the shutdown altogether. All he had to do was sign, so the fact that he didn't is exclusively on him and his flawed decision to let Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh dictate his policy and force his u-turn on that agreement.

Anteater 01-26-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2038105)
^ That's a strange way to look at things, and ignores the fact that he was also pushing himself, the luckless Fed workers, the American public and the Republicans to the brink as well. He folded when confronted by the resounding rejection of his cause from all sides, even down to that loathsome Trump acolyte, Mitch McConnell.


^ Or to paraphrase, if you waste a month promoting something that fails spectacularly, try something else. Personally I wouldn't agrandise that approach as being some tactic in the art of the deal.



^ Actually, Trump has already declared himself proud to own the shutdown. Everybody, from Pence on down had made a bi-partisan agreement that would've avoided the shutdown altogether. All he had to do was sign, so the fact that he didn't is exclusively on him and his flawed decision to let Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh dictate his policy and force his u-turn on that agreement.

1. It isn't strange at all. Government shutdowns are a two way street, and it stopped being Trump's responsibility at a very clear point near the end. Trump owned it to the point where the Democrats rejected his proposal (which would have been a good concession on DACA as well). At that point, the amount Trump was asking for had already been exceeded by the cost of the shutdown itself. Seeing that, Trump realized that the Democrats were willing to keep the government shut down even when the cost of doing so was painful to everyone else.

2. Politics aren't that different from certain aspects of my own work. Look at marketing and advertising: the only way businesses achieve their goals are by shifting tactics and experimenting. You try something for a month and say "I'm willing to spend X to see if this approach will get me my target ROI". If it doesn't work, you shift gears. That's why people pay companies like mine thousands and thousands of dollars, because everything is a work in progress when you are attempting to achieve a specific goal and it's a full time job to develop methodologies that work.

3. When you look at the total amount of money available and what Trump was asking for, it's a drop in the bucket. That's why it makes no sense that the Democrats weren't willing to take any deal from him, because that would have been leverage they could have used later on. Now they don't get any concessions on DACA and he'll likely take radical steps to get what he wants instead. And the courts will uphold it in the end to boot.

My guess is that Trump would rather have the Wall than a 2nd term, so it will be interesting to see what he does to actually attempt to fulfill that particular campaign promise now that he knows that his opposition won't take any sort of compromise.

The Batlord 01-26-2019 09:18 PM

Funny how the libertarian supports authoritarian executive practices.

Anteater 01-26-2019 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2038113)
Funny how the libertarian supports authoritarian executive practices.

Your mom is authoritarian.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2038114)
I didn't say anything about previous administrations

but again, I'm not seeing where they have bent the knee, China has made no concessions yet

a deal has to be made about the trade war Trump launched against them, and China's retaliatory tariffs

both sides are losing

Do you know how much money is lost every year because of China's intellectual property theft? Besides opening up their market more to U.S. goods, that's going to be the pressure point.


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