I didn't let my boss down.

Also, I won't listen to your song because I typically hate pop punk.

I mean Offspring aren't the best example but people who don't like pop punk have never heard good pop punk and please ignore elph being a smarmy **** (as usual).

That might be why I think Twiztid's 'Mutant' was a disappointment. I heard they had a rock album and I thought it was going to be more along the numetal, grungy, industrial rock stuff they did previous and instead it was filled with pop punk.

You should have been disappointed when a goofy rap group said they were gonna do rock as much as a goofy rock group saying they're gonna do rap. Of course it was gonna suck. Seriously though Buzzcocks are a group you need to check out.

No, I enjoy Twiztid and I enjoyed a lot of the rock songs prior and even after and would argue that if Twiztid didn't paint their face and hang out with ICP they wouldn't be considered goofy. Actually, same with a handful of ICP songs.

Actually, now that we're on the topic of juggalos ICP has this song called 'Steve Meets Abu' that would be up there in one of their better songs if it weren't for the fact that they seem to think that Islam was peaceful prior to America invading the middle east.

No they're definitely goofy. Their basic persona is goofy. They don't have an album I've heard that isn't goofy. That's part of why I'll never dig them more than ICP. They embrace their goofiness to an extent but they still try to be something other than goofy while being totally goofy, while ICP embrace their goofiness to the hilt so their aesthetic is consistent whereas Twiztid try too hard. Their ****ing name is Twiztid. That's a ****ing goofy name. You can't call yourseld Twiztid and pretend you're not goofy.

100% goofy.

2 things wrong with this.

1. ICP don't see themselves as goofy and tried to claim that 'Miracles' would be praised if it were written by David Bowie. Sadly, as much as you want to see them as dudes that are in on the joke, they take them selves way more seriously than you think.

2. ICP came up with the name Twiztid.

Horrorcore always has a bit of cheese that most of the fans adore. To claim that ICP are more self aware of it thant Twizzler is laughable. Even then, Twizzler compared to most horrocore artists aren't nearly as cheesy. They definitely have goofiness and cheese but aren't nearly as deplorably cringey as you make them out to be. And I still maintain that a lot of their music wouldn't be viewed the way it is if people didn't listen with preconceived notions.

IDK, there's something about horrorcore, aggrotech, numetal and trap that just has warm, homey, cheesiness to it that I like. I refer to them as my fast food genres. Can't help it.

And that is news that perhaps some can't believe. It's relevant to the topic.