Congress cannot arrest the president or anyone else. The police can arrest the president and anyone else. A president does not need to be impeached in order to be arrested.

Clinton wasn't impeached nor arrested for lying under oath to Congress. Nixon wasn't arrested for actually firing his Special Counsel. Neither Obama nor Eric Holder were arrested for refusing subpoenas from Congress and "obstructing justice" during the Fast & Furious fiasco. So what makes anyone with a functioning brain think that bar is going to be lowered for Trump?

Congress needs to get off their ass and do something concrete...otherwise shut up and shift focus to real issues. Lord knows there are plenty of those.

God the world would be a better place if Nixon had been executed.

^ Probably not in the constitution, but there is a decision by the Office of Legal Council, whoever they may be, that says that a sitting President cannot be indicted.( I think the fear being, What would America do if the President were arrested the day that a nuclear war starts?) That legal decision is considered v difficult to overturn by Dems and Reps alike, and Special Counsellor Mueller took the position that if the Dept of Justice can't indict a sitting President, the same Dept can't accuse him either. Without trial, the Pres can't defend himself from the accusation, so it's legally unfair to accuse him in the first place. ( A legal nicety for Trump that Barr has done his best to avoid mentioning.)

^ The way I see it, there are different scales of lying. "I like your new haircut" can be a lie, and so can "I shot that man in self defense," but there's a big difference in the gravity of what you're lying about.

My understanding is that Clinton lied a couple of times about having extramarital oral sex. Trump and associates have lied repeatedly about consorting with a hostile foreign power to influence election results. Barr has lied about clear evidence of up to ten occasions of obstruction of justice. I don't see it as a lowering of the bar to hold Trump, the AG and others responsible for undermining the democratic process, the power of Congress and the neutrality of the Dept of Justice. The only thing poor old Clinton undermined was his marriage, and that's why he wasn't impeached, imo.

^ Well, I had to check wikipedia, and it seems like he wasn't Elph: he stayed in office.
It prob felt like impeachment because the long-drawn-out Starr investigation was continuously leaking titillating details to the press. Starr leaked over the press even more than Clinton leaked over Monica's dress, knowodahmsayin?

EDIT: OOPS! Just re-read the wiki article, and yes, you're right elph, he was impeached. My bad, but even badder on Anteater.

Being impeached doesn't mean being removed from office. The impeachment is the "trial".

^ Thanks for clarifications :thumb:

I think they just make it up as they go...

Wiki on Clinton’s impeachment trial in the senate

^ Well, that's something to take up with Anteater, who led me right off the fact map into that favourite GOP terrain: the land of lies. As a Russian political saying apparently has it, "If you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth," which is what Trump, Barr and co seem to be banking on.

I wonder if the congressmen with legal backgrounds are sitting back secretly hating their colleagues for being law retards during any kind of congressional investigation?