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Chula Vista 11-25-2017 12:47 PM

Weight loss is a bitch.

OccultHawk 11-27-2017 06:33 PM

Meredith to Buy Time Inc. With Koch Backing

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The Koch brothers have spent decades building a network of wealthy political donors who pledge money to conservative causes and their advocacy groups.
**** them.

Neapolitan 11-27-2017 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1897811)
Egypt attack: Hundreds killed in Sinai mosque attack - CNN

I guess you'd say muslims killing muslims, let them get on with it, eh Hawk?

To paraphrase Martin Niemöller "Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Sufis, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Sufi."

I don't look at it like it's over there, nothing to worry about here. Sufis, Jews, Yazidis, Syrian & Coptic Christians are like canaries in the coal mine. What happens to them, will one day happen to the West ... and does happen with bridges, buildings and bike races.

Plankton 11-28-2017 08:28 AM

TV travel guide Rick Steves to speak out today for legalizing marijuana in Illinois - Chicago Tribune

Rick is awesome. I hope he makes a little headway at least. I've been an advocate of turning that morally unbalanced law around for a long time, and I believe it could bring some much needed relief to the Illinois budget crisis. Of course people **** things up anyway no matter how lit the path to the doing the right thing is, but it's at least a move in the right direction and Steve has a loud voice in the matter. I've been watching Ricks shows for years, and I even made a song in tribute to the man and his show some years ago. I'll post it if anyone wants to hear it, but it's not that great.

Go Steve, go.

OccultHawk 11-28-2017 08:45 AM

It’s good that users get to stay out of jail but legalizing weed puts the only honest businessmen left out of business.

Plankton 11-28-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1898732)
It’s good that users get to stay out of jail but legalizing weed puts the only honest businessmen left out of business.

Yeah, they'll like, totally lose their street cred.

rostasi 11-28-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898723)
Rick is awesome.

A few weeks ago, I was listening to his travel show on radio (Sunday nights here) and
he was talking with a woman about popular music in Germany over the past decades.
I was pleasantly surprised about their combined knowledge concerning everything from
schlager, krautrock, Neue Deutsche Welle, the Frankfurt hip-hop movement, Berlin trance, a.o.
with mentions of the importance of Kraftwerk, Wolf Biermann, Can, Rammstein's
connection with Slovenians Laibach, and ending with Trio's "Da Da Da." - all of this
in the last 20 minutes of the show. It turns out that the woman he was interviewing
was originally from Britain, but moved to Germany for the "scene."
The woman was Robyn Hitchcock's daughter, Maisie.

Frownland 11-28-2017 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1898732)
It’s good that users get to stay out of jail but legalizing weed puts the only honest businessmen left out of business.

Yep, it gets clamped down hard as **** immediately in a way that only allows corporations or the wealthy to survive. While I'll take legalization, I'd prefer decriminalization and the nether-legalization that is California's and other looser states' medicinal marijuana system.

Plankton 11-28-2017 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1898739)
A few weeks ago, I was listening to his travel show on radio (Sunday nights here) and
he was talking with a woman about popular music in Germany over the past decades.
I was pleasantly surprised about their combined knowledge concerning everything from
schlager, krautrock, Neue Deutsche Welle, the Frankfurt hip-hop movement, Berlin trance, a.o.
with mentions of the importance of Kraftwerk, Wolf Biermann, Can, Rammstein's
connection with Slovenians Laibach, and ending with Trio's "Da Da Da." - all of this
in the last 20 minutes of the show. It turns out that the woman he was interviewing
was originally from Britain, but moved to Germany for the "scene."
The woman was Robyn Hitchcock's daughter, Maisie.

I have no idea who that is, but I'll look into him... possibly if I have the time and remember. Steve is like a big ol onion, I guess. Many stinky layers, and good sliced up and sauteed with mushrooms and garlic. Had no idea he was syndicated on European radio. His story just gets better.

OccultHawk 11-28-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898735)
Yeah, they'll like, totally lose their street cred.

Small private businesses are killed by big corporations. Make light of it if you want but good honest weed dealers often can’t transition to the legal market. It doesn’t mean I’m against legalization but it is a downside. Legalization redistributes that income away from local businesses.

rostasi 11-28-2017 09:14 AM

Well, I don't know if he is syndicated in Europe,
but Steves has people now that he hires as helpers
in different countries and I think she has that special
position as tour guide for people coming to, for instance, Berlin.

Plankton 11-28-2017 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1898745)
Small private businesses are killed by big corporations. Make light of it if you want but good honest weed dealers often can’t transition to the legal market. It doesn’t mean I’m against legalization but it is a downside. Legalization redistributes that income away from local businesses.

So what? I don't give a rats ass about "Small Private Business" when that business is some idiot that doesn't have the common sense to educate him/her self and turns to "Slingin' Weed" for income because they don't have a HS diploma and can't get a job. Too ****ing bad. Local businesses... pahleease. lol What's that Weed Slingers taxable income? Does he/she put in for SS? How about profit sharing and 401k? Tuition assistance?

Using a term like "Small Private Business" as a description for your weed guy is pretty funny, actually.

Frownland 11-28-2017 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898749)
So what? I don't give a rats ass about "Small Private Business" when that business is some idiot that doesn't have the common sense to educate him/her self and turns to "Slingin' Weed" for income because they don't have a HS diploma and can't get a job. Too ****ing bad. Local businesses... pahleease. lol What's that Weed Slingers taxable income? Does he/she put in for SS? How about profit sharing and 401k? Tuition assistance?

Using a term like "Small Private Business" as a description for your weed guy is pretty funny, actually.

It's pretty funny that you view everyone involved in the industry as 20-something dealers. Has it really been that long mate?

Plankton 11-28-2017 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898751)
It's pretty funny that you view everyone involved in the industry as 20-something dealers. Has it really been that long mate?

In the 30+ years of my involvement in such things, 99% of the people who distribute the stuff fall into the jobless 20 something year old demographic. There are some exceptions, but most people grow up and realize there's a better life out there... with benefits. My age has nothing to do with it, and if by "That Long" you mean two days ago, then yes.

Frownland 11-28-2017 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898755)
In the 30+ years of my involvement in such things, 99% of the people who distribute the stuff fall into the jobless 20 something year old demographic. There are some exceptions, but most people grow up and realize there's a better life out there... with benefits. My age has nothing to do with it, and if by "That Long" you mean two days ago, then yes.

It's funny you go on the attack with the age thing. It hints at some underlying insecurities about yourself, no? I think yes.

Probably just a 180 degree different scene in California since my anecdotal experience has the majority of them handling it very professionally and still struggling with the upcoming regulations. One guy I know is a distributor trying to get legal who's already sunk over 200k into it so ja, maybe corporatization and deterioration of the product as has already happened in Washington is a valid concern even if your dealer was a middleman.

Plankton 11-28-2017 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898756)
Probably just a 180 degree different scene in California since my anecdotal experience has the majority of them handling it very professionally and still struggling with the upcoming regulations. One guy I know is a distributor trying to get legal who's already sunk over 200k into it so ja, maybe corporatization and deterioration of the product as has already happened in Washington is a valid concern even if your dealer was a middleman.

Let the chips fall where they will. Like I said, I don't care about the business aspect of it, I'm just strongly against putting gentle, harmless people through the penal system. That's my only gripe really.

Frownland 11-28-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898759)
Let the chips fall where they will. Like I said, I don't care about the business aspect of it, I'm just strongly against putting gentle, harmless people through the penal system. That's my only gripe really.

I get that, I just think that highly regulated legalization is overromanticized since decriminalization could accomplish that without altering the industry that much.

OccultHawk 11-28-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898749)
So what? I don't give a rats ass about "Small Private Business" when that business is some idiot that doesn't have the common sense to educate him/her self and turns to "Slingin' Weed" for income because they don't have a HS diploma and can't get a job. Too ****ing bad. Local businesses... pahleease. lol What's that Weed Slingers taxable income? Does he/she put in for SS? How about profit sharing and 401k? Tuition assistance?

Using a term like "Small Private Business" as a description for your weed guy is pretty funny, actually.

It takes a certain skill set not many people have, actually. You’re not going to be doing it for long unless you’re pretty ****ing smart.

rubber soul 11-28-2017 10:00 AM

And I was just watching the Weeds marathon this week too.

OccultHawk 11-28-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898759)
Let the chips fall where they will. Like I said, I don't care about the business aspect of it, I'm just strongly against putting gentle, harmless people through the penal system. That's my only gripe really.

Dude, we’re on the same page about keeping folks out of jail.

Plankton 11-28-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898762)
I get that, I just think that highly regulated legalization is overromanticized since decriminalization could accomplish that without altering the industry that much.

You mean the "Industry" that still tries to operate illegally? Not a very solid foundation, and is inherent to dishonest practices within itself. Regulation can be a good thing if it's done properly with the mindset of healthy growth within the community. Making it happen is the real struggle. But again, I don't really care as long as people don't go to jail over using/possessing it.

Chula Vista 11-28-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898755)
In the 30+ years of my involvement in such things, 99% of the people who distribute the stuff fall into the jobless 20 something year old demographic. There are some exceptions, but most people grow up and realize there's a better life out there... with benefits. My age has nothing to do with it, and if by "That Long" you mean two days ago, then yes.

BINGO. I couldn't agree more.

Frowny, you realize that you are an outlier, right? Your real world experience is minimal - comparability speaking. Your opinion, as always, is ridiculously overblown, singular to your own particular pretentious mindset, and unsubstantiated. You puff out your insular chest over and over again to basically, no avail.

Frownland 11-28-2017 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898767)
You mean the "Industry" that still tries to operate illegally? Not a very solid foundation, and is inherent to dishonest practices within itself. Regulation can be a good thing if it's done properly with the mindset of healthy growth within the community. Making it happen is the real struggle. But again, I don't really care as long as people don't go to jail over using/possessing it.

If you don't care about the quality of what they're not going to jail for anymore then you don't really care about the user :pimp:.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1898768)
BINGO. I couldn't agree more.

Frowny, you realize that you are an outlier, right? Your real world experience is minimal - comparability speaking. Your opinion, as always, is ridiculously overblown, singular to your own particular pretentious mindset, and unsubstantiated. You puff out your insular chest over and over again to basically, no avail.

Oh **** off and come back when you can contribute something of value to the conversation at hand.

Plankton 11-28-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1898764)
It takes a certain skill set not many people have, actually. You’re not going to be doing it for long unless you’re pretty ****ing smart.

Skill set... omg I'm dying here. Being sneaky is a skill set I guess.

Frownland 11-28-2017 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898772)
Skill set... omg I'm dying here. Being sneaky is a skill set I guess.

Botany, actually.

Plankton 11-28-2017 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898770)
If you don't care about the quality of what they're not going to jail for anymore then you don't really care about the user :pimp:.



Oh **** off and come back when you can contribute something of value to the conversation at hand.

...and this is where I take my leave of this conversation. Good day to you, sir.

Plankton 11-28-2017 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898773)
Botany, actually.

Botany with a minor in Sneaky.

I said good day, sir.

Frownland 11-28-2017 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898774)
...and this is where I take my leave of this conversation. Good day to you, sir.

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1898775)
Botany with a minor in Sneaky.

I said good day, sir.

All I'm seeing is someone not willing to consider that maybe they're being sold something that's a little shinier than it really is.

Plankton 11-28-2017 10:59 AM

You're being facetious, actually. That's where I walk away.

Here, have a sequin.

The Batlord 11-28-2017 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1898768)
BINGO. I couldn't agree more.

Frowny, you realize that you are an outlier, right? Your real world experience is minimal - comparability speaking. Your opinion, as always, is ridiculously overblown, singular to your own particular pretentious mindset, and unsubstantiated. You puff out your insular chest over and over again to basically, no avail.

You mean "comparably"? "Comparability" is a noun and I'm pretty sure you were struggling for an adverb. Why you settled on a more obscure word is beyond me though.

Chula Vista 11-28-2017 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1898783)
You mean "comparably"? "Comparability" is a noun and I'm pretty sure you were struggling for an adverb.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898770)
Oh **** off and come back when you can contribute something of value to the conversation at hand.

See how it works? :laughing:

Neapolitan 11-28-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1898768)
BINGO. I couldn't agree more.

Frowny, you realize that you are an Outsider, right? Your real world experience is minimal - comparability speaking. Your opinion, as always, is ridiculously overblown, singular to your own particular pretentious mindset, and unsubstantiated. You puff out your insular chest over and over again to basically, no avail.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898770)
Oh **** off and come back when you can contribute something of value to the conversation at hand.

Ponyboy stay gold.

Frownland 11-28-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1898798)
shouldn't theoretically legalization drive down costs to the buyer in the long run

Theoretically, yes. However, legalization as we've seen it in the states has come with incredibly restrictive regulations in order to appease the other side and those regulations don't allow anyone who isn't already a mogul to join the industry. It's very similar to the moral panic around GMOs and how they're so regulated that the only people who can afford to research and distribute them are Monsanto.

OccultHawk 11-28-2017 12:05 PM

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theoretically
Depends on whose theory and if they know what the **** they’re talking about.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-28-2017 12:05 PM

i remember reading an article stating that one legalized, both recreational and medicinal marijuana in canada will be taxed at the same rate. i can't seem to find the tax plan atm though.

Frownland 11-28-2017 01:01 PM

I'm only really familiar with California and Washington's industries. Got a link for those articles?

rostasi 11-29-2017 07:46 AM


OccultHawk 11-29-2017 08:44 AM

He was unfairly vilified.

Chula Vista 11-29-2017 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1898815)
I'm only really familiar with California and Washington's industries.

Side note: Mike's GF just spent a few days with us after working the annual CA fall harvest up north.



http://donniebshawn.com/pics/shocked.jpg



There's gotta be at least 2 pounds of some of the highest quality **** I've ever seen downstairs in the garage at the moment.

Cali will never ape Acapulco Gold or Panama Red, but man, their Sensi is unmatched.

Frownland 11-29-2017 11:53 AM

I came back from NorCal this weekend myself where we hit up some farmers and got some ****ing awesome gorilla glue, jack herrer, birthday cake, and ace of spades (ace of spades is the all around best strain I've had every time I've had it ftr). Only got a little over an O though. I guess that's not bad for not spending anything.

Aculpoco Gold is good but seems to have fallen out of style in the past few years :(. Fifty more strains have popped up in its place at least.

You know what's weird? Nobody wants to put the work into white widow (hehe) or something because it sucks now. I remember when that was top of the line, now it's mids every time.


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