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rubber soul 12-01-2022 03:20 PM

It's not a matter of what is better, it's just the way it is. Reagan broke the Unions starting with the Air Traffic controllers. During his administration, I was in the UFCW and my local was notorious for kissing up to ownership. And that was a common practice just about everywhere. Even the Teamsters were tied to the Mob and the drivers would end up short changed. Maybe we should do National strikes like they have done historically in France, but let's face it, we're a bit too chicken.

The Batlord 12-01-2022 03:56 PM

No you're proving my point. You're nihilistic and so you just rationalize why you actually agree with the status quo cause to feel less powerless. There was a time people fought and died for labor rights. Things change. And then they change again. Maybe if a strike actually does some damage to the economy you might lose some of that doomerism.

Frownland 12-01-2022 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 2221663)
I'm not saying I agree with Taft-Hartley. I'm just saying that it isn't necessarily beneficial to business. Democratic Presidents in particular have used it to bring both sides to the negotiating table and the results have often been favorable to labor.

In what way? Do you mean incremental improvement that comes with the terms the government forces unions to accept without negotiation?

rubber soul 12-01-2022 04:17 PM

Which is more than the companies would give them.


Anyway, off to bed. Have fun with your Socialist philosophies. It's been such a hit in the US after all. :D

Frownland 12-01-2022 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul (Post 2221676)
Which is more than the companies would give them.

Ah so it's one of those things that's true if you ignore pretty much all of the context. If their strikes weren't illegalized they'd have more leverage in getting what they need, the state stepping in strips them of that power in favor of businesses. Every time, even if there is a mitigative half measure involved.

Trollheart 12-01-2022 07:54 PM

I'm not that well up on strikes, but none of the ones I know about seem to achieve anything. Our General Strike in 1913/14 resulted in a lockout which forced workers back. Thatcher broke the miners and all they achieved was the death of the coal industry. When there are strikes here (electricity, buses, rail etc) people have some sympathy but ultimately they want whatever they're being deprived of by the strike (coal, electricity, buses etc) and everyone ends up going back to work. Teachers' strikes, nurses' strikes, seem to get nobody anywhere.

Nevertheless, everyone should have the right to strike. Except me. As I don't work. And she'd kick my ass if I did.

Norg 12-01-2022 09:39 PM

A positive good dictator is the only way 2 go like Putin


U cant tell me that Putin does not love russia and just wants the well being & best for the russian people and wants russia great again :P

The Batlord 12-01-2022 09:47 PM

*dials 1-800-CANCEL*

Trollheart 12-02-2022 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2221692)
A positive good dictator is the only way 2 go like Putin


U cant tell me that Putin does not love russia and just wants the well being & best for the russian people and wants russia great again :P

Oh I love a dare! Okay then: Putin does not love Russia and does not just want the wellbeing and best for the Russian people and does not just want Russia great again. (MRGA? Doesn't really sit well, does it? Maybe MUSSRGA?)

Trollheart 12-02-2022 08:59 PM

By the way, you're incredibly naive if you think Putin wants what's best for Russia. Putin wants what's best for Putin, and if he could get that by selling out or destroying every man, woman and child in Russia he would do so without a second thought. Also, luckily, though he may act like one, Putin is not a dictator: he is president, and is held in check by the Politburo and the ghost of Stalin, or whoever holds the checks and balances in the Russian parliament. If he were to be given ultimate, unfettered power, a la Hitler/Kim Jong Wotsit, we would probably be at war now. The man's a menace, a lunatic and a bully. He has no interest in making Russia strong; it merely suits his purposes to do so. He wants to bring back the good old days, remake the Soviet Union, turn back the clock and be the strong man of Europe, and will do anything he can to make that happen. Remember, this is the man who may very well have allowed or even set up the massacre of children in a Beslan school, just to get the mandate/excuse to go into Chechnya.

I suppose you cheered for the invasion of Ukraine, did you? Are you cheering now? Why not join the Russian army and put your money where your mouth is? No? Thought not. Easy to cheer from the sidelines, isn't it?


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