You have made 20 posts in this thread. That's, what, 60% of your post count? When you figure in the fact that all your other posts have virtually no content I would say about 99% of all the writing you've done on MB has been about religion.

Yeah I hope so. My initial impression of you was immature douchebag, but hopefully I was wrong. :pimp:

Maccabbe, can I ask you why you keep bringing up porn? What is so wrong about it and why do you hate it?

^^to the best of my experience, it reduces rape

If you are going to re-tell something that happened, please be honest about it. A number of people were banned from the thread, BY ME, including YOU, because you complained that they insulted what you believed in yet YOU DID THE SAME TO THEM. The proof of my stance on religion is in my posts. I openly admit to being atheist but I have stood up for religious beliefs because I have been surrounded by religious people my entire life so I have some education on why people believe certain things. Infact, as we speak, I am DEFENDING the argument that because God has power and 'knows all', why doesn't he jump in and stop things from happening, so don't tell lies. I do NOT tolerate people being douchebags. If people were being morons in the thread and were not told about it, excuse me for having a life and not being online 24/7 to babysit everyone. The staff has told people many times to use the report button. We try to sift through as much as we can but if you don't help us by reporting it, it is very easy to miss, especially in a fast moving thread about religion. I figured a 34 year old man would be able to refrain from insulting 16 and 17 year olds.

Enough with the MF garbage, we are here at MB. If you want to complain about the ban you earned yourself, feel free to PM me to discuss it. Otherwise, you did it to yourself, move on. You were not the only person punished, get over it.

Again, a person's religion has nothing to do with the things you are talking about. If you seriously think a religious person does not participate in the things you are mentioning, you're just being ignorant.

Awww, how lovely.

But you will soon see the real me...one hellova nice/fun guy, with loads of musical knowledge.

But, of course, I will leave that judgement up to you. ;)


...did someone say Porn?

Hey mods, why was Maccabbe banned?

Self-promotion, post-slutting and, in the end, failure to cooperate with mod requests regarding his rule violations.

^^ what a shame, he was a source of endless hilarity

Altough you are actually completely right and I'm sorry for getting carried away, end of the story is that Maccabe was really going nowhere...
But yeah, you're right. I should stay out of this topic alltogether because I just cannot, as much as I want to, have respect or understanding for people who are seriously religious and want to project that onto others.

Edit: Just notice there's been three pages of... stuff... between Tore's posting and this one. My reply may be a bit too late. If it's considered bad form, feel free to delete it mods :).

I was once a hardcore christian, not a fundie but dedicated.
Up until I got into a conversation about religion with an older man.
And, despite all religions faults and problems, it gives people a sense of purpose and a set of morals and ethics to follow. It gives people friends, an external family, and a goal on how to live their lives. I would not be surprised if religious people died more content than non-religious people simply due to the fact that they feel they have accomplished something, whether that something is fake or real.

Besides religion has pretty much got me through my childhood, in which I was constantly moving countries or cities, constantly alone and dealing with **** that my father dealt out to me.
When I gave up religion, one of the few things I realized was that life is pointless; you get born, live a short life (which consists of a childhood were you are controlled by your parents then 12 years of schooling, maybe higher learning followed by 40-50 years of working for our two bitches, money and society before finally becoming too old to be of any use to anyone, except verbally) and then die. Another thing I realized is that religion makes peoples lives easier and safer. The Western world is built on christianity and is a fairly accepting and safe society, imagine if instead it was built on the Aztec religion or Islam?

Religion plays its part in the world and the majority of believers do make the world a better place for us all (not saying non-believers don't either).
But in the end, once you know religion is a facade then you might as well move on and create a life worth living for yourself.
That is my goal in life, to live a life were I can die content, knowing that I did what I wanted to do in life and through my actions, I changed the world. (I believe that everyone is connected somehow. I am speculating that there is a sort of collective 'will' or 'desire' that binds the universe together, every person is somehow connected through this 'will'. Perhaps it is a desire to exist on a higher level that holds the universe together, and perhaps the next level for us is a spiritual level. My opinion, feel free to add your 5 cents.)
I also believe in the Chaos Theory or Butterfly Effect, were a tiny action can cause a chain of reactions that results in the entire world being effected. If I had not bothered to post this then perhaps you would never of heard about it and lived an alternate life, thus changing all your actions and eventually changing the people around you.
Food for thought =]

Peace,
PurpleWolf

It also gives easy answers even though those answers may be wrong and even harmful (about homosexuality, the role of women, slavery).

That's just life.

Tell that to anyone who's ever been stoned to death for adultery, burned as a witch, or tortured to death for heresy.

The western world was built on Christianity, (leading to witch burnings, the Inquisition, the repression of science, the oppression of women, etc) but now it is built on taking those things that we still agree with (thou shallt not kill, love thy neighbor, etc) and ignoring all those things that are inconvenient. Like it or not, Christianity's hold on the western world is dying.


I don't mean to misrepresent your post by ignoring the last part, but the first half of your post was what I wanted to discuss.

I may or may not have posted this before, but, god is not real.

I'm Frisbetyrian

"we believe that when we die, we become frisbees and end up on the roof of a local grocery store"

Yes thats very true. The Abrahamic religions are very much about putting power into the hands of men. Feminine men and gays are a disgrace to men, women must be submissive and quiet, and treating another human being as worse than an animal is A-OK!!

Yeeaapp, its a pointless and otherwise boring life.


Don't forget the Crusades....

I should stop posting after 3am, my brain died and stupid comments appear.
You are quite right there, thank you for pointing that out.

Not a problem! :thumb:

Why the Christian God Does Not Exist:
1) God is all knowing
2) God is good
3) God is all powerful

If god is all knowing then he knows everything that will happen, and if he knows everything that will happen, he will use his infinite power to stop any evil before it happens (because he is all good). Therefore, since there's a **** ton of evil in the world, we can conclude that there is no god. Either that or god isn't good.

Yep, that even has a name: The Problem of Evil.

What I find funniest about the christian god is that he "created the universe in 6 days" and then "stopped to rest".

...yes, because divine beings who create universes need to rest too!

I'm pretty sure that's intended to be a metaphor for the creation of the world. Who knows, maybe the world is so ****ed up because god is still resting.

I'm pretty sure it was written by ignorant shephards who didn't have the slightest idea what they were talking about. And if it was a metaphor, it was incredibly irresponsible of them/him/it to give us something so open to interpretation.

Lol, considering the incredibly poetic nature of much of the bible it certainly wasn't written by 'ignorant shepherds'.

If you say so. Besides, what do you know of an ignorant shepherd's peotic knowledge? It is a modern concept that poetry is an intellectual pursuit.

I was speaking of the story of Genesis, which is in the Torah. It may also be in The Bible, but obviously they did not have the same writers.

Torah = old testament. Obviously since the Jews don't consider the new testament holy they don't call their own book the 'old testament'.

Lol, 'ignorant shepherds' wouldn't have been literate. There's really no basis for your statement about the authors knowledge of metaphor and considering the countless examples of metaphor and other literary devices in the Tanakh it becomes ridiculous.


Bible and Torah are interchangeable terms, generally speaking. It's not really relevant though.

Revelations reads like John stumbled on an early form of LSD.

The Torah is only the first five books of the Old Testament.

I was referring to the Old Testament only. It's habit, I'm Jewish.

They didn't have to be literate. The stories in the Bible were an oral tradition and were only written down years later.

Perhaps, but even so the people who transcribed the traditions into the form of sacred texts were certainly educated.

Well, maybe the original text itself wasn't poet, but the King James English translation was (or the Latin translation)? I do know that several monks started to translate the Bible into English so the people (even though most of them were illiterate) could read it and the (sometimes corrupt) priests wouldn't have to read it to them from the Latin translation. Because the priests were able to read Latin, they could manipulate the text's meaning to take advantage of the unknowing worshipers.

Considering the fact that just about every society has had poetry, regardless of their level of education, I think my statement does have basis. Just off the top of my head, the vikings are famous for creating poetry even though there society was almost entirely illiterate and uneducated. It would seem that Wikipedia even has an opinion on the matter. So, just because the Bible may or may not be poetic (and I honestly don't know or care either way), is meaningless.


No, they're not. Not only does the Bible contain extra books (obviously), but the Bible was also a translation of the Torah and contains many mistranslations.

Really? Nomadic herders were educated? News to me.

Ok, my mistake, the 'ignorant shepherds' were perfectly capable of understanding the concept of a metaphor, which just proves my point anyway.

People use the word 'bible' all the time to refer to all sorts of things, you know what I meant, this discussion is irrelevant.

The nomadic herders obviously didn't transcribe the texts, Jewish civilization had evolved quite a bit by the time the Tanakh/Torah was written down.

It's false to think only civilizations with a written language can be educated, did you overlooked passing information by word of mouth.

Understanding a metaphor means that you are qualified to comment on the creation of the universe? It appears that I've been wasting my life. I could have been a astrophycisist years ago.

"Azeusism, or not believing in Zeus, has been the cause of almost every single major atrocity of the past several thousand years."

I've recently come across this, and I think it's perhaps the greatest response to people who claim "atheists have killed just as many people as theists" or even "atheists are immoral".

I don't believe in God because I don't know what it is. I've never seen a definition of God that I believed in, so I can call myself an atheist.

Also don't believe in any other deities/creators/miracles/souls/etc,etc,etc. Why? Because I have no reason to believe in them. Occam's Razor.