Morality and the Bible (American, shows, quote, youtube, Ching)

~~The Unfan~~ · 12-11-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kaleidoscope..

Jesus's law was love.

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Originally Posted by Luke 14:26

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Jesus orders you to hate your family because if you don't you can't be his disciple.

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Originally Posted by Luke 19:27

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Jesus says to slay your enemies.

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Read the bible and understand it before saying that God says people should be put to death. Because God would certainly never do this.

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Originally Posted by Leviticus 20:10-11

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Orly? God clearly orders the death of adulterers.

As for sexism in the bible, its also clearly there.

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Originally Posted by I Corinthians 11:3

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

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Originally Posted by I Timother 2:11-14

Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Wives are property. The husband owns her according to the bible.

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Originally Posted by Ephesians 5:22-24

Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

A virgin is only worth 50 shekels, women are to be bought!

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Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 22:28-29

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

As I hope you can see, the bible is clearly sexist.

God is the most horrible, vile, and repugnant character in any work of fiction. I can not concieve of how anyone can possibly be worse, and if you believe that something so wretched is so great you are a fool. Christianity, and its followers, are a threat to modern society and deserve no respect imo.

jibber · 12-13-2008, 01:17 AM

FireInCairo · 12-13-2008, 01:35 AM

ahhh...I love religion
I love its aesthetic...it really looks great
I love it's ridiculousness...they all believe in sky fairies!
and I love it's fanatics...poor blind brainwashed fools that they are, surely deserving of more logical folks pity.

kelton · 12-13-2008, 03:06 AM

So I'm not big on church. In fact I really dislike church. And honestly it really hurts me to see someone who calls themselves a Christian and then shows hate onto others for believing different things no matter what it is.

I am a christian and here is what I have come to realize:
Jesus Christ is the son of God and died on the cross to save us from sin.
You should love everyone in exactly the same way He loves you and that is for exactly who you were, are, and who you will be.
I do not see it as being a set of rules that you have to adhere by or you are going to hell end of story. Yes people do things are probably immorally wrong and that you do not agree with. Yet you need to accept them for who they are and try your hardest to love them with all your heart.

I go to a Baptist college right now where we have chapel twice a week and its mandatory. I have set there many a times and listened to closed minded people preach to these kids who are mostly closed minded home school kids who have grown up in the church and basically been brain washed by there parents and the people of the church. And it really sickens me. When "Christians" set there and point out people who have sinned for things like homosexuality, alcoholism, and things along that line and yet they welcome people into their church who have been divorced. I am pretty sure Jesus had a hole hell of a lot more to say about that than homosexuality. If you want to know of someone who is down to earth and to me at least has things figured out check out a guy named Shane Claiborne. He has tons of videos on youtube. And even if you aren't a Christian and hate religion I think that you can set there and listen to him and be like "Hey, I may not agree with some of the things this guys says about Jesus, but he is at least living a selfless life and making a difference in this world." If more Christians like him then I dont think this world would have so much of problem with Christianity.

Dr_Rez · 12-13-2008, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

Anytime you base any decisions in you life on what's in the bible you are making an enormous mistake.

Its ideals are good, but it is so littered with room to misinterpret that none of it applies.

jibber · 12-13-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kelton

So I'm not big on church. In fact I really dislike church. And honestly it really hurts me to see someone who calls themselves a Christian and then shows hate onto others for believing different things no matter what it is.

I am a christian and here is what I have come to realize:
Jesus Christ is the son of God and died on the cross to save us from sin.
You should love everyone in exactly the same way He loves you and that is for exactly who you were, are, and who you will be.
I do not see it as being a set of rules that you have to adhere by or you are going to hell end of story. Yes people do things are probably immorally wrong and that you do not agree with. Yet you need to accept them for who they are and try your hardest to love them with all your heart.

I go to a Baptist college right now where we have chapel twice a week and its mandatory. I have set there many a times and listened to closed minded people preach to these kids who are mostly closed minded home school kids who have grown up in the church and basically been brain washed by there parents and the people of the church. And it really sickens me. When "Christians" set there and point out people who have sinned for things like homosexuality, alcoholism, and things along that line and yet they welcome people into their church who have been divorced. I am pretty sure Jesus had a hole hell of a lot more to say about that than homosexuality. If you want to know of someone who is down to earth and to me at least has things figured out check out a guy named Shane Claiborne. He has tons of videos on youtube. And even if you aren't a Christian and hate religion I think that you can set there and listen to him and be like "Hey, I may not agree with some of the things this guys says about Jesus, but he is at least living a selfless life and making a difference in this world." If more Christians like him then I dont think this world would have so much of problem with Christianity.

first...it's SIT or SAT, not SET...

*whew* sorry, had to get that out there....

Now on to your actual post, this is basically the viewpoint of the christians that I am friends with. They see the bible as a historical document of the beginnings of their faith, and jesus as an example for living without judgement and with tolerance for everyone. Which is why I'm friends with them; they're tolerant of others and don't push their religion, it's simply something that is important to them and that they believe in, and being such good people, I can respect that.

kelton · 12-13-2008, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jibber

first...it's SIT or SAT, not SET...

*whew* sorry, had to get that out there....

Now on to your actual post, this is basically the viewpoint of the christians that I am friends with. They see the bible as a historical document of the beginnings of their faith, and jesus as an example for living without judgement and with tolerance for everyone. Which is why I'm friends with them; they're tolerant of others and don't push their religion, it's simply something that is important to them and that they believe in, and being such good people, I can respect that.

HAHA sorry about that. I typed it up pretty fast and didn't really proof read it.
I know that to a lot of Christians doing missions and trying to push your religion on people seems to be a big deal. But I just don't really like it. Sure if people ask me about it then I will tell them how I feel and will even get into a debate with them about different topics. But I just feel that living by example is a much better way of doing things.

Dr_Rez · 12-13-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FireInCairo

ahhh...I love religion
I love its aesthetic...it really looks great
I love it's ridiculousness...they all believe in sky fairies!
and I love it's fanatics...poor blind brainwashed fools that they are, surely deserving of more logical folks pity.

It is funny how it works. If you believe in aliens, mythological creatures, or anything like that your crazy. But if you believe theres a big man in the sky helping everyone out your ok.

sleepy jack · 12-13-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

Its ideals are good, but it is so littered with room to misinterpret that none of it applies.

So incest, misogyny, condemnation, racism, infanticide and filicide, homophobia, genocide, bigotry and not shaving, worshiping false idols or working on sunday are good ideals? And you're okay with the miseducation of young and impressionable children and then forcing them into cult institutions where they have to learn to externalize blame, feel ashamed over natural things, to judge everything as right or wrong and be a warrior for a fictitious space god who they're also encouraged to have schizophrenic discourage with?

khfreek · 12-13-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

So incest, misogyny, condemnation, racism, infanticide and filicide, homophobia, genocide, bigotry and not shaving, worshiping false idols or working on sunday are good ideals? And you're okay with the miseducation of young and impressionable children and then forcing them into cult institutions where they have to learn to externalize blame, feel ashamed over natural things, to judge everything as right or wrong and be a warrior for a fictitious space god who they're also encouraged to have schizophrenic discourage with?

You totally missed his point. Besides, people aren't teaching that "incest, misogyny, condemnation, racism, infanticide and filicide, homophobia, genocide, bigotry and not shaving" are good Christian ideals anymore, they just ignore those parts.

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FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	ahhh...I love religion I love its aesthetic...it really looks great I love it's ridiculousness...they all believe in sky fairies! and I love it's fanatics...poor blind brainwashed fools that they are, surely deserving of more logical folks pity. __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.

12-13-2008, 03:06 AM	#164 (permalink)
kelton Groupie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bolivar, MO Posts: 34	So I'm not big on church. In fact I really dislike church. And honestly it really hurts me to see someone who calls themselves a Christian and then shows hate onto others for believing different things no matter what it is. I am a christian and here is what I have come to realize: Jesus Christ is the son of God and died on the cross to save us from sin. You should love everyone in exactly the same way He loves you and that is for exactly who you were, are, and who you will be. I do not see it as being a set of rules that you have to adhere by or you are going to hell end of story. Yes people do things are probably immorally wrong and that you do not agree with. Yet you need to accept them for who they are and try your hardest to love them with all your heart. I go to a Baptist college right now where we have chapel twice a week and its mandatory. I have set there many a times and listened to closed minded people preach to these kids who are mostly closed minded home school kids who have grown up in the church and basically been brain washed by there parents and the people of the church. And it really sickens me. When "Christians" set there and point out people who have sinned for things like homosexuality, alcoholism, and things along that line and yet they welcome people into their church who have been divorced. I am pretty sure Jesus had a hole hell of a lot more to say about that than homosexuality. If you want to know of someone who is down to earth and to me at least has things figured out check out a guy named Shane Claiborne. He has tons of videos on youtube. And even if you aren't a Christian and hate religion I think that you can set there and listen to him and be like "Hey, I may not agree with some of the things this guys says about Jesus, but he is at least living a selfless life and making a difference in this world." If more Christians like him then I dont think this world would have so much of problem with Christianity. Last edited by kelton; 12-13-2008 at 03:26 AM.