Originally Posted by Surell (Post 624938)

Sew some leather together.

Originally Posted by Surell (Post 624968)

You can use biofuels or solar power or wind power, we could find a way. If we can run our cars off of this stuff, we can surely run our machinery off of it.

Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624987)

How come we dont do that now ... In mass quantities?? Maybe cause its not enough?

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 624995)

Not enough biofuel, wind or sunlight? These are all renewable sources.

Geez, I'm surprised you're even able to post on a forum.

Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 624995)

Not enough biofuel, wind or sunlight? These are all renewable sources.

Geez, I'm surprised you're even able to post on a forum.

Originally Posted by Surell (Post 625030)

Hydrogen is abundant, but using it costs. It takes millions to make a bus run on hydrogen. It's worth it though because it's abundant and it's absolutely clean.

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 625036)

I appreciate that you're interested in American energy policy but all the same you're vastly overgeneralizing a multi-faceted problem.

and less attacking the straw man please.



Not in its elemental form. Electrolysis requires an insane amount of energy to pull hydrogen out of water (although extracting from methane is easier, it also produces greenhouse gases). The only real advantage that fuel cells pose is that their thermal efficiency is dramatically higher than that of a combustible engine. And as for that "absolutely clean" nonsense... What do you think the power plants (which are directly responsible for production of hydrogen) produce?

In other words hydrogen's impact on the environment is just as significant as using fossil fuels...it just comes from different sources.

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 625036)

And as for that "absolutely clean" nonsense... What do you think the power plants (which are directly responsible for production of hydrogen) produce?