Do you know what the word "enforce" means?

This is getting st00pid.

Yes.

So are there laws or not?

Getting?

Not that I'm aware of, however the entire premise of the thread was enforcing moments of silence.

Oh Janzoon, please use the force and your badass R2-D2 ghettoblaster powers to make this thread go the way of the death star.

And? If it's not a law, and we're just talking about minors being "forced" to be quiet for a minute by their teacher for fear of a stern talking to, why should I give a shit?

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And thus whether or not there are currently laws against it is completely irrelevant.

If it's not a law, and we're just talking about minors being "forced" to be quiet for a minute by their teacher for fear of a stern talking to, why should I give a shit?

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I'm not going to dictate what you ought to and ought not to care about. My only charge is that you'd be wrong to brush off my argument on the grounds that there are not any present laws strictly prohibiting vocal expression during so-called "moments of silence". Keep on struggling to subvert the debate and drown all dissension in a sea of irrelevancy, though. Personally, I find SATCHMO's method of wedging one's way out of conceding erroneousness through utter buffoonery far more effective.

Oh, you had an argument?

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maybe I shouldn't have told you to keep on with that.

if this is a major stumbling block in your personal development you WILL have a very hard time dealing with the realities of being an independent adult.

whether or not you agree to it is irrelevant. your ability to shut the hole on your face for a minute is.

seriously, enjoy your mcjob because no one will hire you to do anything more significant than flipping a burger with that attitude.

haha that's what i was thinking :laughing:

My decision to employ such "buffoonery" was based on the futility of trying to communicate a simple concept to someone who all out refuses to listen.

We understand the principle that you should not be forced to do anything you don't want to, but hey the next time the situation comes up go ahead and make an ass out of yourself by refusing to show the modicum of respect and maturity that is being called for and see if you find that the people in your surroundings are any less or more sympathetic to your principles than we are.

This thread is an example of how selfish people can be. "Why should I give a dead person a minutes silence when I don't even know/care about them?" - it's one freaking minute. If you can't allow one minute of your precious 1440 minutes of your day to think about someone else that had personal experiences that you could learn from/admire, then you've got serious issues. It's nice to care about what other people have fought for, accomplished, or suffered because of, because it helps you find peace within yourself and how you live your life. Problems you have might not seem so bad in retrospect to those who have died.

But whatever, if you want to have your precious minute then I hope it's good for you.

After looking through this thread in the light of morning I just have to say the level of hyperbole in Wayfarer's posters is pretty hilarious.

Jesus ****ing christ. I've explained my reasoning and whi i think this is wrong and i've certainly highlighted that it goes beyond me not being able to shut up for a couple of minutes.

There we are. A fairly intelligent argument that goes beyond 'u r so stupid u shud kep ure trahp sht 4 2 minits lool 11!1!11!' . I see what you're saying here but i still have to disagree.

Ok i don't know why i'm bothering with this still, BUT. Say i agree with 9/11, i think it was a just cause and i have absolutely no sympathy/respect for those who died. Now, why should i have to....you know what forget it i cba with this nonsense i've put my cards on the table, if you still refuse to read them and ignorantly dub it as selfishness then thats your call.

Sorry if it seemed like an insult, maybe "buffoonery" wasn't the best word to use. Wasn't intended as a shot at you or anything, if that's the impression you were getting.

At least somebody gets it.

Seems like nearly everyone in this thread is completely missing the point. I never claimed to be (and as far as I know, Gareth Brown never claimed to be) wholly unwilling to remain silent for a minute to commemorate the life of a lost one, I've only asserted that it would be wrong to enforce such "moments of silence". Additionally, the "selfish" argument could be made both ways. Sure, it might be indicative of rather self-centered thinking were someone to refuse to donate a single minute of their time to another, but it is not just as selfish, if not moreso, to expect everyone to go out of their way for you, even if it is only for a minute, to memorialize someone that they may or may not have liked or respected; that they may or may not have even known or given a rat's arse about? It would be especially selfish to want such behaviour enforced.

Also, let's revisit the first post I made in this thread. I was playing the clown, sure, but there was also a point made there and I never did get a proper response to it.

"Aren't 'moments of silence'...kind of ****ing stupid to begin with? What's the magic in not saying anything for a minute? I lay still, relatively quietly, for eight or so hours a night. There's an abundance of silent moments to commemorate all the lives of your dead relatives that I don't care about right there. It's just some idiotic tradition that doesn't mean anything, y'know, like taking off your hat when the national anthem is played. What's the point?"

One thing I'd imagine most who are laying in their death beds to be thinking is how they wish they'd done more in life, "seized the day", yeah? And we commemorate that by standing around in silence, not doing anything? Why, that's almost as bad as commemorating the resurrection of Jesus by telling our children a giant bunny rabbit broke into the house at night and scattered chocolate eggs all about. We really are a ****ed up species.

If I were in Saudi Arabia at an event and someone called for a moment of silence for the members of Al Kaida who valiantly gave their lives on 9/11 I would be silent simply because I would know that despite how I feel about the situation. the people who died on that plane were someone's brother/uncle/father/son and the grief their family were experiencing at that moment of silence was deserving of my respect.

It's sad to know that it's people like you (Gareth Brown and Wayfarer) who probably wouldn't take a moment of silence on November 11th to reflect on the sacrifices that people (regular people just like you, might I add) made in order to attain the freedom that you are enjoying today (which has also enabled you to say such things).

You don't have to have known the people that this moment of reflection is concerned with, frankly, most people probably don't give two shits if they knew the person or not. It's just out of respect that society ASKS you to take a minute out of your day to be silent. Heck, you can think about whatever you want, no one can read your mind, so if you're thinking "this is so stupid" nobody will even know or care for that matter!

To make a second argument since the first one obviously isn't working for you numbskulls; what if my way of showing respect is to talk about how much I love and respect those dead people? Or even better, how do you know those dead people and those who grieve for them want you to be silent for a small arbitrary amount of time? Maybe they'd rather have us talk about all those great moments those dead people brought.

You can't talk around that minute? Actions speak louder than words. I'm almost certain you're a "talk over people" kind of guy.

[Insert deity of choice] forbid I have a valid opinion and wish to share it. These conversation things are terrible eh?

I know you want to play in the troll games too, but you didn't answer the question. Is that because your arguement was fluffed up so you could stir the pot?

Why do people on here seem to think that disagreeing with someone equates to trolling? Tbh i thought i'd have a lot more people agreeing me than not.

They shouldn't have to be enforced. It should be easy to have enough common sense and respect to simply be quiet.

right... but i still think you're reasoning is immature to the level of the average burger flipper.

like it or not 'moments of silence' are part of our society. they will happen around major events that shape our society and culture. it's the culture's way of recognizing a sacrifice or tragedy, it's on a higher level than the individual human beings that make up said culture.

If I don't think something is worth a minutes silence I just keep my mouth shut out of respect for those that do.

Good manners should not be debatable.

That just about sums it up.

I think its slightly offensive that you seem to have such disdain for burger flippers.

Have you eaten at a fast-food restaurant lately?

Because Leaf Garrett, as you'll see here in the above unmolested quotes, he didn't answer the question.

I even spelled it out as much in my previous comment but maybe you're in the same game as Unfan. The "Pretend no one addressed something game is tired and old. Read or leave.

I think this is very immature. If you can't take a little while to have a moment of a minute to be quiet to remember some deceased people you need to have something like this happen close to you.

When 911 happened the minute of silence was not just for the hundreds of people who lost their lives it was for the shock it had on the United States. When this happened to the US my school had to have a moment of silence and no one objected. It's not much to ask. They are not asking you to pray to God or anything, they are just asking for you to be quiet for a little while.

I've had times in my life where I have lost friends,family,and people I didnt even know. This moment of silence is a form of greiving and it really helps you to remember the lost for what they were good for.


Thank you,

CrAbY

So do it at home by yourself, yeah?

Yeah if someone close to us have died or some big thing happened we have the respect to have a moment of silence. It is'nt much to ask.

No, it isn't much to ask, but it's completely unnecessary to ask considering you can just have all the moments of silence you want in the privacy of your own home.

How old are you? You don't have enoughe respect to shut your mouth for 1 minute?

I do, but I think it's rather stupid that it's expected of me. Do you not have the respect in you to leave people alone and deal with your own bloody problems on your own bloody time? See, the whole "respect" argument works both ways as well.