Guybrush

I think this is a bit black and white .. Norway is considered a socialist country, but it doesn't mean everybody makes the same. It just means people who make more are taxed more and people who make less are taxed less. Also the private sector has less influence in areas like education and health care. There's still the possibility of climbing up some career ladder to get better pay, but there's less difference between winners and losers in society.

Maybe winners don't need palaces, huge gardens and the most expensive private jets and maybe the losers don't need to go starving without any kind of health care.

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sleepy jack

Lil Wayne spent $150000 to put diamonds in his mouth which is over three times the amount your average United States citizen makes per year. See what I did there?

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crash_override

It looks good on paper, but I would like to see how the human greed factor plays into this. I don't think humans would be able to execute this plan. Basic emotions prevent it (greed, jealousy, hate, love). The only thing you would do by trying to change the system is piss a different group of people off.

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sleepy jack

Are you referring to wealth redistribution? Because it has worked and does work...

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crash_override

Not in America it hasn't. You really think you're just going to take everything away from rich people and give it to the poor? This isn't Robin Hood, it doesn't just work like that. You can't just take the hard working peoples money and give it to homeless people(we do that enough with welfare), it goes against everything America was founded upon. It's easy to get caught in the hype, or in your sympathy for the poor. But this system flat out would not fly in America.

p.s. When you say it works? Who does it work for? It doesn't work for everyone. Who are you speaking for?

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sleepy jack

I don't even know if I want to bother having a discussion with you if you're going to say all rich people are hardworking and all welfare goes to homeless people.

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Guybrush

As I wrote earlier, the system works just fine here and there's not really much to complain about at all.

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crash_override

Not saying that at all. Just stating the basic idea of your wealth sharing plan. That is essentially how it would work, while not all rich people work hard, in fact, most don't. Alot of upper/middle class people work very hard, while alot of lower class people don't work at all. It's hard to explain this without using blanket statements, and I apologize for using the one before. But where in this plan is the incentive to work? Maybe I'm blind but I'm just not seeing it. The way I see it, America has moved in this direction in the last 20 years (Tax breaks and financial aid for the lower class) and the situation has only gotten worse for us. So how is distributing the wealth further going to fix or even assist in fixing the economic crisis we are in?

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crash_override

I do hope we can find something that works. If it is the 'magic system' everyone here seems to think it is, then I hope the US will be open-minded enough to adopt it. But, frankly, I just don't see that happening.

It may not be driectly responsible, but you think its helping?

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sleepy jack

Learn American history. We've had welfare since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Thomas Jefferson, you know that obscure politician from Virginia, advocated a progressive tax system. I'm not even going to argue these kind of points with you since you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The economic downturn was caused by Welfare? Give me a break. I'm also not going to bother with your sweeping generalizations about all classes because they're inaccurate. Did you know families in the lower class have to have two incomes to stay afloat - and they're still in the lower class? But how can that be if most don't work!?

I've already stated somewhere in here that I believe in democracy and democracy is where the policies and institutions of society are under popular rule. Capitalism is a system where the institutions, and by extensions the policies since they can buy out much of the political system, are under control of the few, the Marxist bourgeois of the corporate elites and war profiteers and so on. That's why early I described extreme capitalism as fascist, because it is. It creates monopolies and treats the under classes like crap, miring them where they are with poor education and poor wages. I think classes are by their very nature undemocratic and evil and create a society of extreme inequity where one is in poverty and the other is completely materialistic.

By having a taxation system that favors the rich you're only making that class difference more extreme. A progressive tax would make that extreme difference more minimal and also ensure that a society's wealth would benefit the society, as opposed to a handful at the top. But it's that amoral system which you argue so strongly for. The one that gave people slavery and ensures some people are going to die because they can't afford to live.

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