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If there were no suffering, there would be nothing to overcome. Thus, struggle would be obsolete. If a happy life is defined by the process of overcoming adversity, then a good life itself is made relevant by adversity itself, which seems contradictory to me. If we had a choice, would we choose adversity with the option of overcoming it... Or unadulterated non-conflict? I guess that's where you begin separating human values. I just don't think it takes a negative to equal a positive. That's all. |
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"So you worship a space cube?" "Yeah!" "So, what does that mean?" "Well, I take a few minutes each day to worship the space cube each morning, then I continue my life no differently then I normally would. I also thank the space cube every time something good happens to me." The only time it would become a dangerous or harmful belief is if somebody decided that the space cube has views, opinions, desires, ect. Which would of course probably happen, somebody is going to speak for the space cube and make everybody think that eating makes the space cube shed acidic tears of sorrow which slowly begins to melt the universe. |
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I would strongly recommend reading Kant, since he acknowledges that pure reason cannot prove the existence of God, but that through hope we can assume his existence and allow it to guide us in our quest for moral perfection. I'm one of those people who thinks Kant is half brilliant half asinine, and that Hegel brings his ideas to their true conclusion. Still, there are plenty of contemporary Kantians, and I think Kant's political ideas are pretty solid and ridiculously ahead of their time.
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I'm not trying to be an ass, but what are you suggesting here? |
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Critique of Pure Reason is a pretty heavy undertaking, I might suggest Religion Within the Bounds of Bare Reason, Prolegomena to any Future Metaphysics and Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals as good, short introductions, and then you can always delve into the critiques if you really feel the need to go deeper.
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one that isn't made in our image.
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I'm smashing my head against the desk here.
Its also positives. Or are you saying we need a religion that tells us to plunder and take for ourselves, because the Church of Satan has taken those virtues. |
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I am personally content with atheism. The thing is, people will tell me that believing in the divine will allow one to appreciate things more. When I am sitting out in the woods, I really question if believing in a creator god can make the woods any more beautiful. Still, if there is a positive aspect of believing in the divine, how can be retain that in a type of theism without giving up the positives that being an atheist has. EDIT: I thought the Church of Satan was more of an atheist movement. |
No, the Church of Satan has a ridiculous almost anti-commandment thing going. They very much attempt to live up to the christian devil's charactaristics...dopes.
Honestly, it sounds like what you're after is good Civics. I'm way over the line, but I treat the 44 Presidents we've had as examples to follow, and treat thier words as a little more than just speeches by elected people. Americanism, practiced in its purest sense, is not such a bad religion after all. |
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Of all the spiritual questions that are on my list of important things to consider the question of who or what created the universe ranks pretty low. Science and spirituality are not mutually exclusive, on the contrary, they compliment each other quite well. It's science and religious literalism that are at odds with each other, and religious literalism is born out of the fear that what one believes will be eradicated by empirical fact. I am at once an atheist and a theist. I understand that objective science will never find God. I also understand that neither will creationists or any other narrow minded fundamentalists who seek to fortify their own agenda. God lies within, and it is their that every individual must look for God, but only if they choose to do so. |
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